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jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: !~ later tell trinque anond_ here needs some help getting regstered with deedbot for eulora. he tried to register, althought I'm not sure if it worked. can you check it out for him?
shinohai switches to gossipd
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away. << sounds like it
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> !~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild << thanks! And again, thanks for your help. :]
BingoBoingo: There is no reason to add value to youtube by allowing links to it.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If see a video on youtube and want to link it on Qntra comments do the responsible thing. Use youtube-dl and then rehost the video.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: https://youtu.be/zJvYo5pZEfE?t=200 << the good good kicks in around t=200
ben_vulpes: hey hey the gang's all here
BingoBoingo: More severe than nuke
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild
ben_vulpes: freenode passwords are useless as an authentication mechanism. the republic has an authentication mechanism, it is gpg-via-deedbot.
ben_vulpes: that last bit though
mircea_popescu: cheaper to just ghost nicks neh
mircea_popescu: used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away.
mircea_popescu: boy is freenode in a sorry state. currently five servers up, of which 130.239.18.119 and 193.10.255.100 are down solid. which leaves three.
trinque: reddit-level circlejerk right there.
trinque: I used to work for the first company that manufactured server blades...
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548167 << somebody claiming I don't understand that I've bought a CPU debugger? ☝︎☟︎
mod6: I love the use of "amateurish balderdash".
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 02:33 mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548016 << this is very spiffy and finally obsoletes the ad-hoc thing i've been using since rotor 1 - finally i can use mod6's script. will test later this weekend. << hey thanks! let us know how it goes. ☝︎
phf: hey that sounds dangerously like it can belong to a white male
BingoBoingo: <phf> "When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray) << AHA the skin tones of real alcoholics, apneics, and anemics apparently aren't real!
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
phf: i wonder if they are going to make a man|zero-width-joiner|boy sequence invalid, to fight pedophilia
phf: so you can use "zero width joiner" to combine a Fitzpatrick diverse boy/girl/man/woman into a back-of-ford-truck family sticker
phf: i suppose the solution is the same, cap it at version X
phf: well, remember that really old thread where we were deciding if tmsr material is ascii or utf-8 or somesuch, and i was saying "the implications of importing all the unicode shit is that we will have to support unicode libraries" etc
phf: "When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray)
asciilifeform: let it live in the leprosorium where it belongs.
asciilifeform: we will not be importing this crapolade.
phf: "Five symbol modifier characters that provide for a range of skin tones for human emoji were released in Unicode Version 8.0 (mid-2015). These characters are based on the six tones of the Fitzpatrick scale, a recognized standard for dermatology (there are many examples of this scale online, such as FitzpatrickSkinType.pdfexternal link). The exact shades may vary between implementations."
phf: http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html includes such wonderful questions as "Once the Unicode Consortium encodes an emoji character, when will it appear on my phone?" and "But the Unicode Standard includes other flags, why don’t you include my flag?"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/thermos-becomes-pressurized-container/ << Qntra - Thermos Becomes Pressurized Container
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1pZ6
phf: one i first read those i thought to myself "that's cute but only 4? that's kind of limited". took me like 15 years to realize that not understanding of those is at the root of all computer folly
phf: haha, it was, actually i thought it was something unrelated, because tom knight koan comes up ~a lot~
asciilifeform: this was a laddel thread, wasnnit.
a111: Logged on 2015-09-28 21:22 phf: this goes back to tom knight and the lisp machine koan. you can't substitute understanding, and every piece of your stack where your understanding is limited by "stuff is happening i think" is going to bite you in the ass. specifically you can't take an opaque blob that barely runs on dev's machine and expect it to cleanly deploy, and no amount of container is going to change that.
shinohai: Have you tried throwing feces at it?
asciilifeform: see also the sacramental 'Knight, seeing what the student was doing, spoke sternly: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.”'
asciilifeform: at least, not without thought.
asciilifeform: phf: i'd prefer that they did not
asciilifeform: there is fragging. which is why current trb runs indefinitely in a footprint of ~4GB.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jurov> Framedragger: irc also floods you with everythign in all channels, it' responisibility of your client to neatly sort it out
asciilifeform: shinohai: aside from the 300 bt / block, THERE IS NO LEAK
shinohai: Probably not practical idea until mem leak is plugged in trb
asciilifeform: so it was not yet done, and i don't expect to see it done any time soon.
asciilifeform: shinohai: trb memory pighoggery prevents the practical trbification of any of these. but it is ~impossible to fix without rewriting good chunk of it.
asciilifeform: shinohai: it isn't a game-changing box, is the problem, it still has very small ram
asciilifeform: shinohai: i got it jtag'd and then folks said 'snore' and i boxed it up, put on shelf.
shinohai: asciilifeform: Did you do any further experiments on the mycloud mini ?
asciilifeform: and reverse-engineering of heathen iron (various pci cards, and their winblows drivers)
asciilifeform: i will spell out here, what the thing is for. it is for os development, and specifically those aspects that cannot be done under, e.g., qemu, namely -- diddling of live hardware (nics, vga, etc)
asciilifeform: (which is still 8x moar than pogo...)
asciilifeform: shinohai: don't expect to do much trb on the g1 board that comes with the sage - it has soldered-down 1GB of ram
asciilifeform: i still have a bunch of'em, they have 10,001 uses.
mircea_popescu: i still have a crate of them stashed.
shinohai: Well it isn't really weight I guess, I do rsync trb blockchain to it. So it has uses.
BingoBoingo: For other people vice is workbench weight (they don't know how to mount it)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 14:22 shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/tight-science-loose-pseudoscience-and-a-warm-pot-to-piss-in-intellectually-speaking/ << Trilema - Tight Science, Loose Pseudoscience, and a Warm Pot to Piss In (intellectually speaking)
shinohai: TIL Hippocrates of Kios was the Hellenistic Al Gore
mircea_popescu: perhaps the earliest attestable case of "global warming" in "science".
mircea_popescu: so the new method (easier! better!) also couldn't do some things the old (cancer! terrorist!) method could do ; and that something became a major point of crank science throughout the ~2k years of history this paradigm prevailed.
mircea_popescu: however that "classical" paradigm is interesting in itself : the greeks knew of neusis ; and used it. but eventually it fell in disfavour, because a) people are lazy and b) a guy named hippocrates (of kios) ran a campaign against it. presumably because it gave his aunt cancer.
mircea_popescu: this last problem is unsolvable (and proved as such, by an early application of galois theory even before galois got around to publishing it) in the classical paradigm of compass and straight edge.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 18:42 mircea_popescu: e truthiness and just follow the hand", such pinnacle of achievement in imbecility, and try to fucking draw the outer square yourself.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544304 : the more scholarly inclined readers may know that the greeks had a very interesting method of constructive geometry called neusis. it consists of marked edge and pin, where you rotate the edge around a certain point. this allows you to, for instance, draw polygons with 10 or 12 faces but not 11 ; and to trisect the angle. ☝︎
shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo. ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw do the folks gettin' excited over this item understand what it is actually for ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 02:57 trinque: echoing asciilifeform, I recommend anyone that has an interest in the future of republican computing purchases this asap http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524
asciilifeform: trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548026 << i might have already linked to it, but the ~second~ version of the board is significantly better (2x the ram, digital vga) BUT doesn't come with probe. ☝︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: with the fish food!1111
shinohai: I envision the future being mircea_popescu 's head in a jar, labeled "Trilema" ala Richard Nixon from Futurama
asciilifeform: most essayists get there if they live enough
mircea_popescu envisions this endgame state for his own 70s, where he keeps getting excited and writing articles in a fury, which are slowly decaying copies of already extant trilema articles.
asciilifeform: how many heads does this dude have
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you already beheaded him 2yrs ago during the tile groups thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too late, i've beheaded him.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548100 << iirc prof dutch is (now) in his 70s. he grew up in a ~working civilization, where the - yes - unexamined #includes - still added up to something ~sensible. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 04:33 trinque: the presence of a bin folder manifest and makefile is intended to provide a place to check the sha512 hash of the built product upon such time as we can beat gcc into producing the exact same binary for a given release.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548064 << with deterministic deps and gcc, etc, ought to be trivial ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 02:33 mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548016 << this is very spiffy and finally obsoletes the ad-hoc thing i've been using since rotor 1 - finally i can use mod6's script. will test later this weekend. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548047 << this, interestingly, is a duped mod, wonder how many of it will be found ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 03:23 trinque: trolling places like craigslist and ebay for vintage opterons, probably also not a bad idea
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548032 << the mobos (esp. quality ones) are far scarcer ☝︎
mircea_popescu: thanks god "pop psychology", "religious dogmatism" and other such useful labels are provided by god immediately through direct affixion to subject matter. especially useful - "artistic narcissism".
mircea_popescu: t is impossible for human foresight to pronounce ; but there is just ground to apprehend that its progress may be marked with calamities of which the dreadful incidents of the French revolution afford a very faint image."
mircea_popescu: "The spirit of Jacobinism, if not entirely a new spirit, has at least been cloathed with a more gigantic body and armed with more powerful weapons than it ever before possessed. It is perhaps not too much to say, that it threatens more extensive and complicated mischiefs to the world than have hitherto flowed from the three great scourges of mankind, WAR, PESTILENCE and FAMINE. To what point it will ultimately lead society, i
mircea_popescu: in other news, let's play "find the source". here goes :
mircea_popescu: hurr. where the fuck do they keep coming from, these idiots.
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#156 << "o hey, we made false promises and if you believed us it cost you money but it's ok! we told the state about it!"
mod6: trinque: indeed, all of this we've done so far; the easy part.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: you forgot blockquote tags