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asciilifeform: yet there can be no excuse for it consing
phf: well, then you have a hitler diddled copy, ironclad's tagline always has been "entirely in common lisp"
asciilifeform: does the thing leak?
asciilifeform: wtf is even ~in~ ironclad, i thought it called out to openssl in c ffi, or similar horror
phf: hmm, it's all ironclad's sha256. doing it with a dummy #(0 ...) digest drops it to 4.6mb
asciilifeform: fine, but the conses!?
phf: actually that time is totally random, because it involves reading privkey out of /dev/random
phf: i suspect that the text marshaling that shell script does (as far as overhead over "pure c") is insubstantial compared to otherwise demanding and ~~cpu level sha256
shinohai: At least asciilifeform was kind enough to present this in bash
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: again, make whatever encoder you like, folks have done so in the past, e.g., the barcode thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: theoretically
asciilifeform: i ask because it does not appear to be substantially faster than the shell script..
asciilifeform: phf: you have times in there. what was it running on?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the checksum should address that, no?
ben_vulpes: i'm going to have to do it in ruby at this rate
phf: http://paste.lisp.org/display/327488 lamport parachute PoC in common lisp (it has soft dependency on ironclad for sha256, but otherwise follows the design in that own function can be substituted)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-01#1551014 << encode your addrs in morse if you like. and throw out fire extinguisher, disconnect ground stake to your house, whatever floats yer boat. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-23 22:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383219 <<< i wouldn't buy a thing with "SawStop (tm)" and i certainly don't want to HAVE to.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what do you like about b58? the checksum should be all that's necessary, right?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i like base 58 and the checksum. and i like the little metal flaps on wrong side of saw
ben_vulpes would dearly like to know how base58 is not another wart of pointless complexity
ben_vulpes: addrs have a bloody checksum; dafuq is this "human mistake amelioration" crap
ben_vulpes: saturday the first of october, in which ben_vulpes (re?)discovers that bitcoin uses its own inane encoding scheme for addresses
phf: oh that was entirely unfair thing to do, apparently a111 wasn't in limbo, but it's happy sept to oct log rotation day
mod6: shinohai: o7 thank, /you/, Sir.
phf: only issue with the regrind approach is clerical. it's easy to keep track of "this new thing that i don't have", much harder to keep all the "this old thing that i have is now new thing" updates
phf: asciilifeform: the blog post presumably will always link to the latest version?
ben_vulpes: oh god the lols keep pouring out: "This bitcoind address validator is a subclass of the Django forms.CharField class" linked from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026.0
ben_vulpes: in other open sores chuckles "The encoded strings in the tests were created with Andresen's unmodified code, so they are correct. Probably."
asciilifeform: good old king vlad t didn't finish a job, or wat.
asciilifeform: who wants the old crud - is welcome to his copy of it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose. not like the machine cares you know, it'll just collect the patches.
asciilifeform: (when removing the timestamps)
asciilifeform: and, incidentally, recall that we reground the trb genesis once.
asciilifeform: last i saw, mircea_popescu doesn't host versions of his articles with old typos still in'em, anywhere
asciilifeform: it made marginally more sense re the trb patch, but even there mircea_popescu insisted on the regrind.
asciilifeform: it is 100% pointless to distribute a single-author proggy as 'and here is the broken ver, and here is when i fixed it, get these 100 patches'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same thing as was with the version-string regrind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17927 << for the record peterl is right. wtf is this "update genesis" bs ?
mircea_popescu: if anyone ever hires bryan cantrill i wish to see how will they face me.
mircea_popescu: "While we would fire Ben over this, node.js is an open source project and one doesn't necessarily have the same levers." aka "we've not yet managed to steal ben's work, but will posture as if anyway!!1"
ben_vulpes: "your gender equality mission is a cultural hegemony attack on the embattled nerd culture, and triggers all sorts of auto immune responses costing joyent and co millions in nerd productivity by inducing them to rage fruitlessly at their keyboards"
ben_vulpes: i believe that node.js and the white house are undifferentiable flaming piles of shit.
trinque: can't argue with that.
asciilifeform: i thought it were just this tomb.
asciilifeform: the bush-II folk had brilliant 'solution', they created 'dhs', a uniquely braindamaged conglomerate bureau which subsumed half a dozen old ones, and is so peculiarly 'dilbertian hell' that the employee turnover there is now ~6 mo.
mircea_popescu: "This isn't merely a legalistic concern (though that too, certainly), but also a technical one: we believe that empathy is a core engineering value—and that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well."
mircea_popescu: anyway, epic blogpost, that.
mircea_popescu: ~only by creating a new "department of office of authority of czar for things and matters"
mircea_popescu: how do you think the places are ever fumigated, painted, etc ?
mircea_popescu: to install them as top brass in existing offices would a) mean that women are disgusting cocksuckers ; b) mean that niggers don't have the right to vote and c) prevent any maintenance work from ever happening in all of wash dc.
asciilifeform: but the interesting thing is that, per tradition, u.s. civil service brass is powerless to remove middle managers
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the strange thing is that nothing, theoretically, stops obamitler from installing them as top brass
ben_vulpes: hmfic also wants to install 'their friends' at managerial payrolls. wouldn't do at all to bring them in as toilet scrubbers in the 'white house communications agency'. 'but but i'm more important to just be a cog in an existing organization -- we need our own new best shiniest!'
asciilifeform: well yeah, they never get garbagecollected
mircea_popescu: gotta make a new one for each new generation of fucks, because well, as seen recently they have all the social skills of a mollusc and so can't work with anyone else but "their friends"
asciilifeform: (iirc it was under nsa jurisdiction at one time)
asciilifeform: lulzily enough, there was a 1950s version of this, still mega-budgeted, 'white house communications agency'
mircea_popescu: hence this fuck, that chowdry fuckface etc.
mircea_popescu: it is traditional in eastern tyrannies for whatever ethnic group of the new sultan to drag in a whole clan from the provinces.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually thing came out of chicago.
asciilifeform: 'startup at the whitehouse' ??
ben_vulpes: thing came out of the "marketplace" shitshow.
asciilifeform: when did 'swat team' stop referring to troop of gestapo breaking, entering, raping
ben_vulpes: oh this is news around here?!
asciilifeform: '…what we realized was that we could potentially build a SWAT team, a world-class technology office inside of the government that was helping agencies. We’ve dubbed that the U.S. Digital Service…they are making an enormous difference… President Barack Obama, March 2016'
asciilifeform: 'The United States Digital Service is a startup at the White House that pairs the country’s top technology talent with the best public servants, to improve the usefulness and reliability of the country’s most important digital services.' << l0l!!
ben_vulpes: 'tis in the log
mircea_popescu: "I work for the United States Digital Service." oh ok.
mircea_popescu: in other news who the fuck is "alex gaynor"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-nice-guys/ << Trilema - The Nice Guys
asciilifeform: (return... to whom?? to NthRepublic ?)
mircea_popescu: i'm going to have to go with door number no.
asciilifeform: what do you think, lol.
mircea_popescu: did he return the dough also ?
asciilifeform: 'In June 2011, Pope Benedict XVI apologized for the killing of De Molay and acknowledged that he was a victim of false accusations. ' << mega-lel.
ben_vulpes: i see "lost", think "what, lost account number?", i see "stole" think "ahaha, what hilarious paper did gs swindle the goatfuckers into buying this time?"
asciilifeform: granted, sometimes idiots forget to 'first you pillage, THEN you burn'
mircea_popescu: lmao. i'm sure they "lost" it.
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << magnificent master of modems
mircea_popescu: now that's a cool title.
asciilifeform: !!rate trinque 2 magnificent master of modems
deedbot: asciilifeform rated trinque 1 at 2015/08/01 16:36:05 << therealbitcoin testing
asciilifeform: !!rated trinque
mircea_popescu: anyway ; back in 2013, pre-republic, when idiots with their hissy fits actually got people "teaching moments" ; compare and contrast with 2016, post republic, where francis rowe is about on par with roadkill for reputation.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'cu' is a mega-win compared to what i had prior. ty.
mircea_popescu: shinohai note that the whole "talk privately" bullshit is VERY much how usgtardism spread. they know that openly pushing the koolaid will get them excruciated. but apparently esltards are VERY vulnerable to 1 on 1.
ben_vulpes: come on brosephim. you're 'working' on node.js, the very government shows up to regender your codebase and you decide to get uppity?
shinohai: V even solves the problem of gendered pronouns in software development. Is there anything it can't do?
ben_vulpes: working /for/ the usg.
trinque: but the sauce looks like a quick read.
trinque: nah, I've only used it a few times fiddling with routers and things.
asciilifeform: ^ from the man page on my box. gold.
asciilifeform: This program does not work very well.
asciilifeform: any idea how to make it quit immediately rather than stalling for an entire second ?
asciilifeform: trinque: almost what i want! thx
trinque: has an escape to detach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not terribly far off. node.js is ~same crud by ~same people.
mircea_popescu: it's a miserable anchor for identity, this "ways we do things" ; and for that matter the sort of brain that doesn't take well to public discussion of technology is fundamentally broken in ways that should be addressed long before any technological involvement.
asciilifeform kept waiting for some mention of gavin and only half a minute or so in finally realized that it is not about prb nodes