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diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, that's where I went after ave1 pointed out that the gnat.crc32 is just a stream-wrapper
diana_coman: as one might tell, I'm looking into using CRC in smg.comms as per latest spec
diana_coman: aaand if I get it right, GNAT.CRC32 uses Ada.Streams.Stream_Element and it expects a String as input so overall it really sounds like back to GNAT.Sockets style, ugh
jurov: Next time if representative of public company does ask me this privately I'll go to forum. Lesson learned.
jurov: Hello, I am not sitting on bag of fiat to seek auctioning it off, but when anyone in my wot comes like "halp!!!" i will help them sell coins if possible.
asciilifeform: btw i'm beginning to think #e is the last chan being spammed... even shithole #linux-rockchip was left alone
asciilifeform: ( i'd really like to not have to eat the spamola in #e , i'll admit )
mircea_popescu: i dun see a problem, if the owners wanna.
mircea_popescu: and i'm quite satisfied with it as it stands.
lobbes: and to remind: this current bot also will only announce in #eulora (I'm still debating about where new bot should annouce)
mircea_popescu: i don't have a ready list of the many varieties of items therein sold, maybe lobbes keeps it as part of his eventual marketing efforts, but anyway. it's known diversity.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858434 << none whatsoever! same mechanism was famously used to sell a notebook i wrote in, and other things. the only fixed thing is the settlement point, and for good reason of the nature of macroeconomic wisdom. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: trinque i burn "close" shortcuts with plasma cutters.
mircea_popescu: and i expect as the thing starts getting some history behind it, time intervals can narrow out, removing most of the fx unpleasantness.
mod6: I'd love it, make me a helluv a lot less nervous -- as I was for the last 10 days.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think that's very sensible, have some cash on hand jic.
mod6: And we'd bid, because I'd like to have some extra cusion in our account down there.
mod6: I'm not confident that we could get that done as quickly as we need it. I did ask, a lot if people were interested. But no takers. But anyone is free to start up an auction now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't go back on a deal. but the past is the past, what's to keep you from doing more for the future.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only important magic number is the 10e9 ecu = 1 btc value. otherwise the whole thing's open, you can just say i dunno, "will only take BTC" as a comment in the next line, or w/e.
trinque: it's no problem; this is why I threw a friendly punch instead of quitting the service.
mircea_popescu: well i think part of the problem may be he himself didn't well understand this before right now.
mod6: yeah, i think as people see a few of these take place, it'll make a bit more sense.
mod6: i pasted that log line above because i was hinting to readers "hey, if you want to buy pizarro's coins, this is how you do it." But no one even asked.
asciilifeform: trinque: good q. i for instance am not equipped to process ecu atm
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 01:24 trinque: gotta say, I'm eventually going to cancel my service if this "we pulled the price out of our asses, and here it is" thing doesn't turn into a process somebody surfaces on a blog somewhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1bn ecu = 1 btc. 168 is hours to live, here 1 week. "wFF" is a symbol i ad-hoc'd, "wired filthy fiats". explained in the next line. q0 is just a joke as to the poor quality of the fiats in question, has no bearing in this context.
mircea_popescu: to the undying shame (of the soi-dissant "banking system" foremost), that trade did not actually complete. but i daresay it did not complete because third parties idiocy, not because the auction mechanism.
mircea_popescu: "i have 8200 fiats which i'm willing to wire, will take at least 1 btc for it"
asciilifeform: i have a bag of x usd. what do i do next.
asciilifeform: something's not clicking in my head, i can't seem to turn it into an algo
mircea_popescu: trinque no, i know. it's just...
asciilifeform: how do i list a bag of usd for auction in a bot where only ecu and btc are units.
asciilifeform: but what i don't yet grasp is how to make this go with mircea_popescu's 'settle in ecu'
mod6: Oh, I suppose it has to be the first way I linked then 'eh?
trinque: mod6: you've got it backwards. in this model I'd go list my available fiats alongside everybody else, is my understanding
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 01:53 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> afaik all you get is reverse auction (at a significant later date, once he's well done with rewriting the whole thing). << This is what I recall. Reverse auction denominated in ECU
mod6: I think, we'd be fine doing the reverse (if possible) of the log I linked above. "BUYING 1000 USD for ECU".
asciilifeform: i dun see why we need the exact sums thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to clarify what http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848940 was about, in this case. i was under the specific impression that auction of items other than ecu is forbidden in mircea_popescu's bot. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: for SOME REASON you seem to be waiting for a (MUCH LATER) upgrade which would permit you to advertise ~i want to buy EXACTLY X fiats AND NO OTHER SUM NO MATTERE WHAT HAPPENS!!!~.
mircea_popescu: this, as far as i can tell, is perfectly useful to pizarro as things stand now, and perfecly approachable to everyone, and a permanent solution to the record and advertisement requirements people have.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 00:19 mod6: ah, i see, so for instance trinque could say, "selling 4000 USD for ECU", exactly like yourself with the last one
mircea_popescu: the way auction bot currently works, and has worked for 100s of auctions worth 10s of bitcoin, is that any one party with some fiat, can say "i have this much fiat and will let it go for no less than this much ecu".
mircea_popescu: it ~seems to me~ this difference is not worth a postage stamp, if indeed i understand the description of pizarro's situation mod6 is making correctly, that is, "we have trouble finding lots of fiat to buy, not finding exact chunks".
asciilifeform: right, specific, like erry civilized auction block worx, 'i have 900kg of iridium', not 'i have iridium!'
mircea_popescu: what this development buys you is NOT that "i can now trade fiats", but that "i can now buy SPECIFIC lots of fiat, whereas before i was stuck bidding on whatever lots someone offered".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect what might've happened is that ~everyone is waiting indefinitely for arbitrary and unexamined expectations to be satisfied, and no public discussion available to remedy this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was my parsing of 'i'ma kick it' that you dun want any units other than btc and ecu in there ?
mircea_popescu: i had formed the impression the main problem's finding lots, not cutting them to specified sizes.
mircea_popescu: to translate the difference between "i'm selling 8k fiats" and "i wish to buy 8k fiats" ? is the specificity of ammounts on pizarro side such a huge deal for you lot ?
trinque: maybe I hear jurov's bid and I say fuck it, my next month's btc purchase happens today instead.
asciilifeform: or there were ? but not where i could see'em ?
mod6: After for sure. I don't have the exact date, but I'd say it was in the last week of september -- I reached out to a few people directly since I wasn't getting any takers in either #pizarro or #trielam.
asciilifeform: i'm trying to grasp what happened here, why no bids on 17th, or 18th, or any other day until last night?
trinque: and it's not as though I can't eat +-5%, but why, when learned folks have a process for narrowing those kinds of gaps, and don't need a bot to do it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> afaik all you get is reverse auction (at a significant later date, once he's well done with rewriting the whole thing). << This is what I recall. Reverse auction denominated in ECU ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok, is what i thought
trinque: mod6: you did ask me in private, which I appreciate, but that's not how I'd prefer to do this, as per all the ^
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 00:13 mod6: i'm just saying, doing it 'botless'. like I say, "this auction is open for 72 hours, closes on X date at X time. Selling 1 BTC for USD. Winner of auction sends whatever wires seller specifies."
mircea_popescu: so if jurov has a chunk of fiat, he can offer it and pizarro can bid and i guess trinque could bid more if he wanted to. this is dysfunctional ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why this thing with the bot seems to satisfy me only. is it truly impossible to sell chunks of fiat for some reason ?
asciilifeform: mod6: i'd happily work 100% of'em if i had what with.
mod6: We needed to get the ball rolling here, I went with it. I did ask you if you wanted to buy some, but you declined.
trinque: I would've preferred to know of jurov's bid, so I could counter
trinque: "and anyway if I asked her she'd just say no"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hand-cranked auction ? i see no prob with this ( until we have robot )
asciilifeform: some folx have a very heavy meatspace life ( e.g. phf ) but i'm not aware of why jurov.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to agree with trinque , i have nfi where jurov's been hiding out and specifically why
trinque: I suppose all I know about jurov right now is silence, which is a related problem.
mircea_popescu: in fairness to jurov (whom, knowing the man, i can readily believe took a fx beating), wouldn't his implicit donation deserve the implicit recognition ?
trinque: I could've weighed the decision to buy against your discount, which would've put you in a better position than your deal with jurov, and meanwhile saved you from the perception that you're not all that clued in on what the forum does.
mod6: I'm sorry, I was just acting to do what I thought was best for Pizarro and it's customers. I seem to be getting it wrong, somehow.
asciilifeform: trinque: entirely meant as non-flame. i like selling usd occasionally ( did first , what , 6mo of pizarro... ) but i do not have a proper algo currently.
mod6: I apologize trinque.
mod6: I will back away from all of this going forward. I'll let BingoBoingo handle this.
mircea_popescu: how do i lean on him, "trinque, stick with the republican isp!" "but mp, LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO MY BABY!". what do i say at that juncture ?
asciilifeform: trinque: let's say you were selling usd, instead of jurov ; how wouldja pick a price ? ( serious q, i dun have what could be considered a civilized & deterministic algo presently )
trinque: and notice that I don't, because wtf?
trinque: mod6: suppose I start charging you deposit fees on deedbot *arbitrarily*
mod6: I actually didn't think it was any big deal, as previous months I had made these deals behind closed doors with jurov as wel. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma do the next one ( given as BingoBoingo got his crate ) , this oughta give enuff time for lobbesbot & some semblance of civilized life to start
mod6: I'd love to do this a different way. I just felt like, other than alf spending money that he had saved for a possible emergency trip, we didn't have a lot of other options.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure of that much.
mircea_popescu: is there some advantage i'm not seeing to the approach ?
mod6: Since we were getting a bit desperate to get some fiat purchased, I offered to him to send the coins first, and he could mitigate that FX risk. We worked out the details in a PGP.
mircea_popescu: mod6 is the idea jurov could not have done what i did, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837995 specifically, because... what is it, he's decided not to speak in channel anymore and you had tjhe option of either forcing the point or getting the dough ? or is this just terribly mismanaged altogether, or what ? ☝︎
trinque: this prevents jurov from saying "I jurov bid $x for $y" here?
trinque: I thought the point of doing business in a WoT was to avoid that kind of thing.
trinque: gotta say, I'm eventually going to cancel my service if this "we pulled the price out of our asses, and here it is" thing doesn't turn into a process somebody surfaces on a blog somewhere. ☟︎
mod6: Ok, just thought I'd offer.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Looks really good. I can't think of changes which would keep it something that might get bites.
mod6: I also, really appreciate you stepping up to help me out. Seriously.
mod6: hanbot: Thank you, I really like both of these. I don't think I would change a word. Nice job!
mod6: now I get mp's -10 on thebluematt
mod6: Yeah, I wanted to get a bit of background here before I do. On-deck next :]
mod6: This is the first chance I've had to even read this trustnodes article
mircea_popescu: i guess i gotta get that girl a real machine now, so she can actually v and stuff.
mircea_popescu: i don't see a problem. maybe could be had warmer, but not clear that can be done without elongation. terseness' is a virtue, as ~nobody reads anymore.
mircea_popescu: i got the perfect monture supporting your summary, coming out in a few hours.