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diana_coman: I can't find anything about the author(s?) there though, no contact no nothing.
mircea_popescu: the translation's far from terrible ; the item's important because a) it plainly discusses the slave trade (which, yes, underpinned most of the imperial economy eight years ago) and references a coin that's a.1) unatested anywhere else in the (voluminous, and pompous) imperial paperwork and a.2) isn't the official coin.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935537 << ty kindly for the snippets. I did read that in the README, but thought that it perhaps may have been referring to the date in the -filename- since I couldn't find any knobs in my irssi that dealt with the 'header' formatting in the log itself. This saved my sanity
mircea_popescu: pretty sure mccain'd have ended up "convicted" in just such a lulz "court" if he didn't have the foresight to braintumour first
mircea_popescu: i do however find the stotting behaviour quite infuriating. so yes, in my book the sort of retard who "does great work for like a year" isn't scoring above the sort of retard who does no work. i'd much rather have tea with elliott than any of the historical time-limited editions specifically for this reason.
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't, exactly nothing has been gained whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: the reason's half stupid though ; and when i say that i don't mean the smart part's stupid.
asciilifeform: well wouldn't be interesting if were 'wood paste'. but they actually made nyc-helsinki in 2wks routinely.
bvt: i don't think that zombie socket can interfere with current code -- the local side of the socket gets unused random port automatically. this would be an issue only when bind(2) was called on socket before connect
bvt: asciilifeform: today i had a quick look through stevens, apparently timeout for SO_KEEPALIVE is two hours (digging through linux source confirms), so i don't think this option is any useful as is; TCP_KEEPIDLE sets the keepalive timeout per-socket, but then there is a question to which extent to rely on all of these socket options.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 04:08:46 dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935522 << afaik 'b' won't work (unlike on x86)
asciilifeform: ( wasn't just airplane and rocket makers, either. gen. k. rokossovsky , was pulled out of gulag in '40, ended up instrumental in the defense of moscow; and leading the victory parade in '45. )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935500 << the interesting bit is that if t had 'gotten out of bed each morning' to work as common draftsman, would have run ~0 risk of the dungeon. most of the 'king of all animals''s subjects did exactly that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:39 mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: no, i actually buy your summary, 'd00d wouldn't fucking talk'. but i'm also willing to ask ~why~ didn't talk ? maybe because erry time he opened the door, there was a beating behind it ?
diana_coman: just for a few, I really don't see how you persist in the idea that it was "logger down" the problem.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:35:55 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an imp
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:17:15 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that wasn't at all the issue and it has been already pointed out to you several times, here and on trilema.com
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
whaack: roger that. Before I disappear into the subcastles, I'll mention i'm blogging the differences in Spanish/English pronunciation which other ESLers in the channel may find useful http://ztkfg.com/2019/09/differences-between-english-spanish-phonetics-part-1-differences-in-stops-d-k-t-p/
diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:05:56 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:40:47 diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 - I don't think my view on this (specifically for #trilema) has yet enough substance to even warrant the name of "view"; fwiw I'm not even sure that one can define a "threshold" generically, like this.
dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
dorion: 3. Boost has proven to be the most stubborn. 1.52.0 was released in 2012 and, from my understanding, aarch64 support wasn't added until 2015 in 1.58.0. Said support included adding asm, entry point of reference here : http://archive.is/jciFv
mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an important pilla
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
mircea_popescu: for YEARS /me did not give a shit, #t hosted club of (romanian-speaking, as it happens, but of no consequence past that coincidence), exactly same automatons working the same way getting the same results
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, gotta also take it easy, if one were to judge "the output" of #t on the basis of its however many first weeks...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935482 << iirc mircea_popescu warned about this (and apparently was right) : the coupla folx in #a, already would not do when mircea_popescu asked ; why would they do when asciilifeform asks, who isn't famous hero, has no millions, no harems, nothing in particular that forces recalcitrant folx to stand up. so far the output of the #a people is the predicted 0.
lobbes: there's been plenty of people in my meatlife who I like a great deal; enjoy their company. But I also wouldn't trust them with xyz. The WoT is individual to individual for a reason. One person may be able to answer questions better about another than another. The tendons between mp and phf weakened, but this ain't a republic of one after all. Phf could resurface in asciilifeform's castle tomorrow and
lobbes: This doesn't even mean the same thing as "not a good guy" or "arms don't grow from right organ" in my book. Simply a WoT matter
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-11 03:57:39 trinque: iirc mircea_popescu met phf irl, didn't like him, and that was that
asciilifeform: trinque: for that matter, there ain't a spare mircea_popescu either. observe that nobody else knows how to strip the valence electrons from folx like phf and make'em usefully react. none of the burnouts are doing anyffin worth note in e.g. #a .
trinque: but I don't know if my point is coming across.
asciilifeform: trinque: my contention wasn't that it was somehow work for mircea_popescu to nurse'em back to health (how?)
trinque: iirc mircea_popescu met phf irl, didn't like him, and that was that
trinque: if republic doesn't mean "fuck you, I'll tell you who my friends are" in all directions, wtf, lets skip right back to empire?
asciilifeform: trinque: ftr i don't even know what did phf in. (it wasn't the ski mishap, obv. but some chronic degeneration)
trinque: I quite like phf ftr, on the basis of history, but I don't think that's the point
trinque: why doesn't asciilifeform have a relationship with phf independent of mircea_popescu ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:50:19 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 08:31:54 mircea_popescu: that's how economy works at the scale here discussed, "and if you don't like it, get ready for valleyforge -- if you got it in you".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:40:47 diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935191 << what credibility does a hanging have if it can't happen to you too?
BingoBoingo: During the whole hostel stay I don't think I ever saw even the pickiest kiwi substantially distinguish what the smoked beyond relative strength at the extremes. Or visual appearance.
mircea_popescu: actually, i suppose the correct example is "wine snob". yes, anyoen can tell ok wine from piss ; yes particularly talented fellows can actually tell you a lot from a sip. but the vast bulk of neglected aging "careerwomen" getting plastered pretentiously each weekend -- they couldn't tell a pinot from another if poured into milkbottoles first.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 13:53:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.
BingoBoingo: The economics of weed strike me as similar to mircea_popescu writing about the history of porn. To the extent weed may have had a golden age, that is long gone. The silver/bronze ages are rapidly closing and the DIY amateur glut is going to crush everywhere it hasn't already crushed.
BingoBoingo: The tech's out there and well documented, and the key colloidal silver used to turn the plants sex-weird isn't even something the weed folks make the most noise about.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.
spyked: aaaand this should be all of feedbot's part/join spam for today, ty for bearing with it! also, removed http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 from #t's announce list (left a few of them in #s though)
spyked: achtung: I'm doing some maintenance/cleanup work on feedbot as a prelude to upcoming vpatch(es). the bot might go down a coupla times in the meanwhile, but shouldn't lose any feeds
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 03:08:44 mircea_popescu: "can't commit" "okay..." "why's nothing happening ?" "duh ?" "nofair, should have way around eat+keep cake" "ummkay."
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935322 << dude... they're ~AFRICAN~. they don't understand what the fuck things ~are~, they can barely summon the mental energy to keep track of what things are called.
mircea_popescu: if it's good for whiteboi cocksuckers, why shouldn't it apply to ebony minotaurity!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:39:03 BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935294 << i'll have a look into this problem. this month i'm a bit tight on time for republican work, and already have work in schedule, so i can't promise any deadline, unfortunately.
lobbes: ha, I didn't even think of that. Those stores are probably the first stop for many aspiring to that industry huh
BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
lobbes: I recently had to eat #t lines where index > 1933778 in order to sync, and sure enough here's query where > 1933778 vs < 1933778
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:22:25 asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:03:33 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).
mircea_popescu: prolly because they don't know how to do that without creating a race condition with the time-outs involved in knowing it's stone dead.
asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
bvt: asciilifeform: re SO_REUSEADDR - i don't see how it is applicable: as i understand errno 106=EISCONN the kernel believes that the socket is still connected (perhaps socket.timeout case in send()?); so if you proceed to connect without closing it, you'd get double connect on the same socket; and SO_REUSEADDR does not protect against this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zd3l
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing it depends *whose* exam; for the other, the focus wasn't on "exam", no (doubt anyone would even "tune in" for... exam,lol); but anyway: another dose doesn't hurt, no.
diana_coman: eh, he needs to start chewing, not like there isn't *what*; but yes, I see what you mean.
mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
mircea_popescu: he didn't lie about one day maybe lieing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, titanic ACTUALLY sunk. didn't "write home tall tale of sunk"
mircea_popescu: problem aren't all the tupolevs in gulag
diana_coman: asciilifeform: does it seem to you there's danger of "nothing counterposes leukocyte"? because uhm, I can't quite see it.
diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
mircea_popescu: what, you thought it's an idle thing ? it isn't. being old means shit'll happen, you'll fail to follow and end up the example.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935119 << this is a deeper africanism than mircea_popescu suspects , and sadly not even limited to pythonisms. it comes from when hands grow out of arses, and folx write libs where the namespaces cannot be mixed, so yer stuck lib_a.foo lib_b.foo , cuz can't import a + b . seen it in adaisms , cl, elsewhere.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).
diana_coman: pfff, didn't mean to trigger the bug on her, lol; sorry, nicoleci
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: iirc this has been noted before/it's been around for quite a while, yes (though I thought it was fixed at some point); but I don't think she self-voiced at all.
mircea_popescu: and sure, you didn't implement. but you're ~supposed~ to implement.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 22:04:14 asciilifeform: wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )
asciilifeform: wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )
mircea_popescu: afaik this can't be done.
lobbes: looks like ericbot didn't survive netsplit. Had to manually re-cycle it
mircea_popescu: didn't think to check.
mircea_popescu: can't say it's clear to me it's the box specifically.