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diana_coman: I still had to dive into CS's "shaders" and so at least I know better what those are and how they come into play but that can be written up as it is and taken from there
diana_coman: at any rate, my current understanding for S.MG is that it will proceed with what there is and as such the bulk of work stems mainly from the graphics & ironing out the smg comms + new client (plenty there to do but at least I know what I'm looking at)
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm deluded ? will hafta review.
mircea_popescu: yet i recall clearly speccing a "move"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-07-21 08:57:32 diana_coman: hm, current vtools still don't handle move of files or what am I missing here? I made a simple test with moving one file to a different location and as far as I can see, it's still delete + create, no move
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i am greviously unprepared for this.
diana_coman: now if someone has the proof I'm being an idiot on this, please step forwards and hit me with it, I'll be very glad.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not as far as I know; it was always *not done* but always popping up in people's memory as "working"; except every time I wanted to *move* a file rather than have it del/add, it turned out that ...no.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
diana_coman: tbh this particular bit with the keys was/is the *main* itchy thing because it feels ridiculous really; I'm doing "encryption" there every which way and then the keys are plain text; but wtf.
mircea_popescu: i'm too lazy to search right now for the article where some power ranger shiothead was "offering to reimplement mpex"
mircea_popescu: nope, bitcoin has plaintext wallet for years, something i criticized very harshly.
diana_coman: my thought was that if *that* was done, the above bootstrapping thing would have ended up getting more attention and thus possibly moving on as well; but this is why I said possibly outside S.MG scope
diana_coman: tbh (and possibly outside S.MG's direct scope) I don't get exactly why don't we have already a command line replacement to gpg, ugh
diana_coman: the draft is all there is as far as I know
mircea_popescu: don't bother, i remember.
mircea_popescu: i would still like an estimate.
diana_coman: I will however look into how long it would take to ditch cs on dev server
mircea_popescu: i'm also not at all sure i want to dictate os or userland/tooling for people running clients.
diana_coman: all right; I'm all for *not* taking on yet another pile of wtf
mircea_popescu: i'm not even necessarily sure that i want to push it into the gfx stack.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I see; I suppose the thing is that cuntoo is currently a server-side system really (no X)
diana_coman: there would be perhaps some bits like movement calculation but there is no possible reason I can see for that to pull in the whole cs or something ffs; ie it can be done separately, why wouldn't it.
mircea_popescu: so i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I would say it's a most improper dependency really
diana_coman: and otherwise there is no point to using cs on server as far as I can see; wtf does the server need a graphics engine
diana_coman: dev server I was gradually extracting CS out of it but I'm not done
diana_coman: to answer your q as stated: I can move it but it will take a lot of effort and time (atm I don't have a clear estimate for it but I doubt it's less than a month given all deps)
diana_coman: to fully clarify: I can boot both/either servers on dulap-gentoo on either amd or intel hardware
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I missed the "at all" nuance in your second question http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949741 ie I was still in cuntoo-env
mircea_popescu: i asked if you can boot on cuntoo, you said no. i asked if you can boot at all, you said also no. i verified why no when you said yes prior, turns out you can boot at all, gotta use proto-cuntoo
diana_coman: are you confusing amd with cuntoo or what am I confusing here?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 14:18:25 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945106 - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not until I get rid of cs or move it to gnat and build it statically
diana_coman: I'm rather relieved to hear that because indeed, cuntoo is the best candidate I see so far
mircea_popescu: now practically, seems cuntoo is (by far, actually) the least mangy dog in that horse stable, so i guess we're in the business of making it a horse.
mircea_popescu: this is a fact, and i ain't choosing a while calling this republic.
mircea_popescu: once the kernel has a tty hole in the right place, and the right place is under republican control, i'd say the goal has been done well.
diana_coman: I very much like bvt's work for sure.
mircea_popescu: more broadly what i'm thinking to do is let bvt continue his work on kernelization, because a) the current kernel randomness code is pure shit and b) using a serial interface as the standard is perfectly fine
mircea_popescu: on one hand, i think it really should not be our preoccupation as s.mg. it's not actually important enough.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I can add detail if/where needed but atm I don't have something I see to add there.
mircea_popescu: i think it works.
diana_coman: this would be my list, let me know if I should detail any point in there.
diana_coman: at 4 I mean esp given the fact that the server code is sensitive
diana_coman: as per http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ I think there are a few points:
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I was waiting on you and you were waiting on me?
BingoBoingo: Goes with being located at an extreme point on the map. All I gotta do is wave North and everyone's covered within a reasonable margin of error, Porteños notably outside the salutation.
diana_coman: aha, I enjoyed the part 0 :)
diana_coman: but ftr, the fact he writes those in parts is because I set him to do that (as a cure to wasting time otherwise).
spyked: indeed. that happened some years ago (burned a disk), which is when I decided to at the very least ups.
diana_coman: but you know, if the "few times" when it goes down it fucks your electronics, I have no idea how you get to "no complaints"
spyked: srsly tho, I have no complaints about the service most of the time. but the few times power goes down, it has to be intermittently and with spikes
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as scientist "by himself". contrary to whatever mistaken notions poor schooling, science is a purely rational process ; the incommunicably stubborn self-directed bullshit ain't science ~except by accident~. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: whatever, now i know i want it fixed.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949577 << I'm sold on 'articles', tho it dun help the cause any that the mp-wp database uses the 'posts' terminology everywhere (posts table, post_id, post_content, etc.)
lobbes: diana_coman: idk wtf is going on with the !Xhelp command (I'll check this out), but the help page is here if ya need it again: http://www.krankendenken.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/
mircea_popescu: i thought it said "publish"
BingoBoingo: If it's going to be saved by comparison, I'm inclined to favor comparison to physical posts. Fence posts, mile marker posts, "woe unto he that digs into this buried gas pipe" posts, etc
mircea_popescu: i think "despatch" is more in the vein of what happened there.
mircea_popescu: becauise i both would and do call a picture of my cat an article. and in my case, it also ~is~ an article.
diana_coman: ah, ah, the sluts are too open for open source, I see.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 10:10:53 PeterL: But I wouldn't call a picture of my cat an article, even if it is a blog post.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is i thought there was a chan in that vein registered already. wasn't there ?!
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, lol nice find. i remember you telling me about this.
PeterL: But I wouldn't call a picture of my cat an article, even if it is a blog post.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 08:41:55 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949532 << The way I understand, on a blog (short for web log), a post refers to any item, which could be an article. Most posts are articles, I will try to refer to them as such in the future.
diana_coman: lobbes: where's the help page for auctionbot these days? when I pm-ed it with !Xhelp it turned all windows-help on me: auctionbot> Default help. Known commands: help, ping
spyked: hm. also, it's possible it might have missed some when I purged the notification queue following the spam this weekend. lemme know if they still don't get delivered when you go online using mircea_popescu
mp_en_viaje: oh oh, fuck me. sorry, i got confused.
diana_coman: I do get feeds from it, got a bunch today even so it's working at least here.
mp_en_viaje: spyked, weirdly enough, i've not been getting anymore feeds from feedbot since sun. is it brokt ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 08:05:05 mp_en_viaje: comments welcome ; as things currently stand i'm thinking a one week auction starting tomorrow is the way to go here.
diana_coman: yes, but "post" there for all its similarity to "to post to the blog" is just as made up, as far as I can see; a blog post, as there is a newspaper article, dunno; and in the vein of "just as much to do with what they are doing otherwise", wouldn't that hold for articles too?
mp_en_viaje: and re made up words... well of course ? i mean, all words are made up, what would be the alternative
diana_coman: myeah, except I would much rather give feedback to those who committed and work themselves to use it.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the reason i brought it up being specifically "In the past, software development could be done by applying a series of patches to arrive at a final program state. With v, the patch is replaced with the slightly different vpatch, as described below."
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949535 - oh boy; it's a cribbed-assignment basically, aka he talked in #o nonsense over the head of people actually committed and working on it so I told him to go write on his blog what he wants and otherwise apply if he means anything.
diana_coman: so yeah, it is correct to call them articles and to call the "blog" a book I suppose.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 04:46:58 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949532 - technically it was "a blog post"; going for correctness there, I would even question wtf is "blog" anyway, since I get it, binary log except I don't write in binary, what.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, hey nicoleci ! check out what i found on trilema : http://trilema.com/2011/nicias-quidam/
mp_en_viaje: anyways, to fix the tard's definition, since i had to fucking link idiots : epic does not mean "massive and imposing in scale or size". i get ~why~ socialism/ourdemocracy would THINK SO, but it's still not true. epic means "a story of men". quite literally, that's what it is, the discussion of heroes in heroic terms.
mp_en_viaje: that doth grate in romanian. in english by now it's... i guess it won. evidently maddox not that widely read / powerful linguistically
spyked: it's commonly used among orcs, even the more educated ones. and well, I tend to pester the people I care about with locatie/loc and inovativ/inovator and so on.
mp_en_viaje: spyked, i wouldn't say "romanians" did it. piulitia did it, the sort of retarded wanna-be bureaucrat goat. "extorsiunea unui degajament", exactly.
mp_en_viaje: oh i see what happened, it just carried over, right right. nevermind.
spyked: tbf, I can see the argument. "article" was already there, so adding the "post" slang is somewhat similar to how romanians added the new meaning for "locatie" in the lang. what's wrong with "loc" anyway
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, it fucking grates, on the level of wow kiddos saying "rouge" for rogue and midwesterner 15yos saying "scratch" for "itch".
mp_en_viaje: heh, i guess that's true huh
mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?
BingoBoingo going to have to sleep before publishing Pizarro accounting. On the plus side receipts I had placed in a weathered envelope labeled "Keep" have finally been found in a pristine, unlabled envelope. There will be a paddling.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949410 << kk, I'll do some digging on it and see what's up.
hanbot: re "related confict", gotta admit i've gotten rather sad from the way it's decayed. i guess stating it as such is my attempt to let it go; i've said what i thought was relevant on thewhet and well...pfft.
bvt: i didn't think any special activity was urgently required from me, and the blogpost with my comments on the matter will come a bit later; i can see re weak sample
mp_en_viaje: in the terminology of turns, people who don't get their turn are more likely to also not do anything to fix it. so i'm tryin to make a point of it.
mp_en_viaje: low volume ~on irc~ i mean.
mp_en_viaje: i'm mostly trying to avoid sourness in the vein of "i was doing X then things changed from under me", like eg at some point occured re cuntoo. seems to me low volume participants are particularly vulnerable -- not that low volume is in itself any kinda crime.
mp_en_viaje: i don't think it's a pressing matter ; i'll certainly read it.