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mircea_popescu: and as to the problem of translation : source code and object code make together a thing. an item can not be said to be a program without either. their relationship is particular, you can go from one to the other, and ~to a very limited degree~ from the other to the one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as per usual, it depends on what is is. so - yes, pissed. you piss idem, when you say things to the tendency of "work - for tractors ; not humans". your dislike of perl and his dislike of "observation" in the sense of "handiwork" are very close ; and closer to my eye than alternatives.
mircea_popescu: i hasn't the patience to go into detail as to echonton eisin & friends. not aristotle's fault.
asciilifeform: i don't even see this as specifically greek - it is standard 'blub effect', modern plankton thinks 'maths is what i learned in kindergarten', negative space -- universal
asciilifeform: hey, folx were 'weighing souls' as recently as t. edison
mircea_popescu: (and if you're wondering - the hallucinatory perception of the other known objectively as "puppy love" is precisely an implementation of this principle. as it exists in all cultures [that i'm familiar with] it seems likely to be the definitionally human trait. man is the beast who, when confronted with a shortfall, dreams up a compensation.)
mircea_popescu: which is why insanity is usually the escape valve for desires incomesurate with possibilities. as alf says, nothing novel here.
mircea_popescu: but in any case - alienation and self-realization stand in an inexact opposition - if for no other reason then because derealisation often appears as a viable alternative self-realisation. "i am a pretty special snowball" is exactly the self-realised derealized individual, satisfied with his own self image in a wholly imagined world. while by definition maximally alienated ; he also is maximally self-realized.
mircea_popescu: yes, but "ask.fm has 150mn users" and shopify trades as NYSE:SHOP for 40bux and then some guy wants to discuss things about you know, "MPEx has no volume you have been warned!!11"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no such thing as "everyday work" anymore.
mircea_popescu: anyway, while the quoted article is remarkable in toto as a fine sample of what wikipedia is, intellectually, the "break all the mirrors" fatlogic reaction is not limited to wikitards.
asciilifeform: 'those with title to something worthless will find a way to extract value from it, making it even more worthless. An abandoned suburban subdivision might be worthless as housing, but valuable as a dump site for toxic waste.' (orlol's discussion of 'asset stripping', in http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, things such as "buy up all the grain and lock it in the basement", which are EXACT equivalents - antieconomic underutilization, are... also "firmly negative". well which the fuck is it!
mircea_popescu: which severance is reinterpreted internally as "liberating" - the same kids who ENJOYED getting out of the house when they were 18 then cry when their parents die. but why ? weren't you so fucking happy to be rid of them ?
mircea_popescu: ah. it is a failure mode ; the feedback is perceived by the i-subject as dolorous, and if there's too much of it the only way to rescue the ideology is to sever the feedback.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, anyone looking for a good source of the subversion of "stem" in the us may as well go read feyerabend)
mircea_popescu: (and yes farming is entirely chumpatronics, of the worst ilk. as dean martin once said, "my old man used to gamble that he'd get rain. i figure if a man's gonna gamble, might as well eschew plowing."
pete_dushenski: no one wants to go back to the farm. tis very true and the primary reason why my father's family busted their nuts to get top marks in county so as to get the fuck off the land and move to the city.
mircea_popescu: prolly ben_vulpes 's civic is as good as that gets.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: stealership wants 800 for part, 6.1hrs labour at $155/hr. also recall these are pitiful canuckbucks, not megaU$$$D here, so chop a full quarter when converting your bezzle outrage. but yes, civic tranny is cheap, toyolexus parts very spendy. anyways, my mechanic is doing it for closer to $1300. still a slap but not quite as dear.
asciilifeform: i always parsed the aol thing as, from lizard pov, 'thinking folks are gettin' uppity, let's ddos'em'
mircea_popescu: but it is CERTAINLY unfair that he's fucking dumbs as rocks and i am not.
mircea_popescu: it's maybe unfair that whoever is running that "shop" doesn't have as much money as i do. it is maybe unfair that whoever is running that "shop" didn't go to as good a school, or have as good parents, or as alf points out, didn't have as well housed a library at home. fine.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of facebook users etc, here's a reminder as to how the other half lives : https://archive.is/kFdOX
Framedragger: "such as “migrants are dirty” is allowed, whereas “migrants are dirt” isn’t."
Framedragger: "A sentence reportedly containing an expletive directly followed by a reference to a religious affiliation (for example: “f*cking Muslims”) is not allowed. However, the same does not go for the term “migrants,” as migrants are allegedly only a “quasi protected category.” Additionally, Facebook reportedly allows for posts that could be deemed hateful against migrants under certain circumstances. For example, a statement
Framedragger: "that receive extra protection (for example, under “age,” criteria such as “youth” and “senior citizen” receive priority)."
pete_dushenski: on a plane there's (ideally) no wifi, no one talking to you, just the pen and the page. i miss traveling as much as i did the last decade as much as anything for the rarefied air free from distraction.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: retrofit for manual crank would be free in your world ? or also hire mulch man to wrench this into existence as well
pete_dushenski: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FgblF0NsG1A/WFmUcmNln1I/AAAAAAAAoGI/IsVf__4qaJ0p3vwc_ySI9mlq0qLm-NkcACLcB/s1600/Fz11DuI%2B-%2BImgur.gif << speaking of civilisation, this is how pm's lexus ls460 (same as mine, natch) merges onto freeway protected by small motorcade. note the utter fluidity of the white-gloved hand gestures.
mircea_popescu: hey, there is such a thing as old money, even in the usa.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 04:33 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cedar ftw. << belongs outside or as an unfinished accent. Bookshelves need to hole WEIGHT!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, they have this crazy shit here - picconia excelsa. the wood hardens SO MUCH as it dries you can't fucking work it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cedar ftw. << belongs outside or as an unfinished accent. Bookshelves need to hole WEIGHT! ☟︎
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: we grow pine, fir, cedar, and spruce, most of which come from bc. ontario and quebec grow some hardwoods like oak and maple but these aren't as practical or affordable for general construction so they're exported in smaller volumes relatively speaking. so depends what you want your shelves made out of. pine can work but obv the hardwoods are sturdier if also commensurately spendier.
pete_dushenski: so eulora is basically the same as the entire canadian prairies.
trinque: almost plays as a "lets sneak a peak at slavery, but safely"
phf: i always thought of him as a pretty boy who can hold a certain pose. that's why i think purple noon is great, where he fits perfectly because he looks young, fresh, aloof and arrogant. but his other stuff is forgettable. i think he had some tv show where he played a middle aged detective, where he was great again, by virtue of being the right age
mircea_popescu: phf possibly not. but yes, not ~entirely~ bad, and as an actor certainly better than whatever dorks available today, so he'd still win a "what do we watch" competition. the period though... ah, ah.
mircea_popescu: (as a public service : /alɛ̃dəlɔ̃ nʲˈe pʲjˈɵt ɐdʲɪkɐlˈon/ /alɛ̃dəlɔ̃ pʲjˈɵt dvɐjnˈoj bɜrbon/ /alɛ̃dəlɔ̃ ɡəvɐrʲˈit pəfrɐnt͡sˈuskʲɪ/ )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/three-times-as-many-electors-rejected-clinton-than-trump-colin-powell-finally-draws-votes/ << Qntra - Three Times As Many Electors Rejected Clinton Than Trump, Colin Powell Finally Draws Votes
phf: well french cinema not being entirely corrupted by imperialism was popular in su, so alen delon got the same treatment as other "anekdot" characters.
asciilifeform: looks almost as if it'd be a skin , front end running tcpwise in front of trb node
mircea_popescu: no, it wasn't, as i don't actually propose any changes to processblock. it can go wholesale in b.blockchain
asciilifeform: (in the case of 'provably fair', he can be shown the seed for the prng, but there is NO way for the casino to demonstrate that NO ONE ELSE KNEW it. hence -- just as promisetronic, and now on top of it all braindamage of using prng)
asciilifeform: given as it is not physically possible to audit an analogue rng in the same sense as one can audit the digital board (i.e. by putting a TB of random through it, and comparing what comes out other end to the expected), i expect that plenty of folks will choose to build their own analogue unit.
asciilifeform: otherwise it can just as easily be a device that puts current unix time + salt through aes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've ruminated on this as well before
asciilifeform: as described on the ml (and linked again last night)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in so far as it consists of the block processing delay, as described earlier, it does.
asciilifeform: i'll add to this that in trb as we have it, you ONLY need blockchain to verify a potential mempool tx
mircea_popescu: if queried, b.peer loads mempool-txn as it is and uses that ; so what if it's stale, fuck you.
mircea_popescu: whole story is, "fatso is angry at not being as relevant as he thinks he should be"
asciilifeform: if done as described above.
mircea_popescu: to think the dork actually claimed he is "slightly more productive on linux than windows". satoshi never fucking as much as saw a posix compliant box.
asciilifeform: it is atrocious design, as is the whole thing.
ben_vulpes: but i mean blackholing as artifact of some other poorly written client, instead of script opening sockets to trb nodes
mircea_popescu: but in general there is no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy. for the attack to exist, the client has to be "retarded".
mircea_popescu: there isn't any space, or any need, or anything else for these fucktards today anymore than there was in 1996 or in 1976. they know it today like they knew it then, and they're lying about it (to themselves, mostly) then as now because they know that's exactly all they can do. who's gonna hire pmarca ? to do what ? who has a job for zuck ?
pete_dushenski: if you mean the latest mpex debate as referenced in 'what lasts forever', ya the leclerc (pankkake?) feller and i had a little back-n-forth
mircea_popescu: it ~never had a corpse to eat, it sucked its own dick for as long as that lasted.
mircea_popescu: that said, /me wishes teh very best to the actual ugandan children. oppressed as they find themselves under hermetically sealing, thick and numerous layers of dedicatedly-imbecile adults, it'd be a wonder if anything comes of them. but - all the better for all those who do make it in such conditions.
mircea_popescu: this exactly mirrors me using planeshift code for eulora, did token gesture towards planeshift people, they be EXACTLY as idiotic as blender people in exactly the same way, so as a result /me is having the code refactored and will not work with them
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : me uses blender for eulora, originally wanted to work with the blender people, and as a "first gesture" sorta thing tried to make a donation. blender people turned out even more batshit insane than anyone could have imagined, which resulted in smg deciding to fork blender and not support their idiotic foundation
mircea_popescu: i suppose it isn't to be a surprise that in a world where the doctor expects you to pay him for him to do what ~he~ feels ; and the lawyer is strictly shocked that his position as counsel is STRICTLY to do all the legwork you don't feel like doing and absolutely not to do any of the cool management stuff, cuz you're paying and you're gonna be eating that - the charity dudes similarly expect nsa oodlebunches of moneyz
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the actually useful stuff, such as "put the fucking bitcoin address on google's homepage already, you dork!" somehow "accidentally" never fucking happens.
ben_vulpes: masquerading as science, good grief.
ben_vulpes: "we just can't handle the notion of a space where some people's suckitude is actually a barrier to their self-identification as 'a part of a thing'"
mircea_popescu: well, it was more like "should be exposed to user, WHAT checkpoint to use". ie same as here.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 that "separate config file" references what i recall as a previous discussion. << aha, now i recall. I think the suggestion was that one could, from a config file, turn checkpoints on or off, or add new ones if they wished.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that "separate config file" references what i recall as a previous discussion.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the one caveat that i can think of is that it may very well turn out to be unusably slow (as in, >10min block verify), on anything but reiser. (if there even.) << would be great to start experimenting with this in '17
asciilifeform: 'cheap' in the antique comp business means in practice 'everyone who wants, has'. as, e.g., 'commodore 64', vs, say, lispm.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "cheap" in business.
mircea_popescu: especially if a) the piece is actually useful as opposed to curio and b) it's being sold for scrap by the imperial idiots.
trinque: as say pg has whatever it shits into /var/lib/postgresql/data
trinque: davout: idea is that these querying tools could as well use reiserfs or another as the "disk data format"
davout: i'm still not convinced that the relational approach is not the correct one, as far as an arbitrary inspectable DB is required
asciilifeform: not same as hdd fw omfg
asciilifeform: the one caveat that i can think of is that it may very well turn out to be unusably slow (as in, >10min block verify), on anything but reiser. (if there even.)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 19:57 davout: asciilifeform: don't "sed, grep etc." qualify as "binary dedicated toolset" ?
davout: asciilifeform: don't "sed, grep etc." qualify as "binary dedicated toolset" ? ☟︎
trinque: davout: ad hoc crapping together database features as needed gets you the last round of idiot fad databases
asciilifeform: programming would perhaps be a similarly honourable profession as piloting, with similar calibre of people, if only it were possible to kill yourself just as easily with mistreated computer as with airplane.
asciilifeform: exactly as.
asciilifeform: iirc there was even a ~decent one (as far as anyone could tell) in python, in 2012
asciilifeform: nah but srsly as if i did not know about crackpot clients
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 17:05 trinque: as far as the lying wire is concerned, that's solved by a different gadget
asciilifeform: and it is quite regrettable imho that it cannot be entirely bulldozed in bitcoin as it is.
mircea_popescu: it should be implemented as full block hashes.
asciilifeform: as i understand, mircea_popescu objects , that this is an imaginary solution to the quadratic, that there is no physically plausible scenario that follows this path.
mircea_popescu: if you do this - you may not anymore deny the other implications of magical unicorn. such as you know, someone eating jam and shitting whole plums.
asciilifeform: davout: see the mitm point further down in the thread. a ~simulated~ yottahash is just as good for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: deindustrialization dun enter into this ; de-"personalization" as personhood is currently misrepresented in the west however - does.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing what software runs on black box. you propose "hey, it's trying to cut gangrene in such a way as to do maximal damage to enemies". yes, this may be, as a generous interpretation. the more common interpretation however is to say there's exactly no cutting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the less generous one is as set out in "apple could buy russia"
mircea_popescu: and as per http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ the absolutely imbecile generation STILL wants to pretend the conversation is about how racist it is to not allow faggots to "marry" ; rather than about how idiotic it is to pretend russia is an enemy and africa's an ally ; or that deindustrialization is a reasonable response to anything.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/fP5Ce >> 'Trump’s insistence on channeling Putin’s propaganda may reflect a more permanent and creepier mindset that refuses to see Russia as a foe of the West. If the latter, how far will this go — blocking sanctions? Acceding to Russian aggression? The suspicion that Trump is Putin’s lapdog has cast a shadow over his secretary of state nominee, who is distinguished only by his chumminess with Putin.' << t
BingoBoingo: <a111> Logged on 2016-12-19 18:17 mats: have you ever considered part-time work as a crackpot columnist, asciilifeform << Qntra is available
mircea_popescu: so actual man made global warming by jan 15th is a respectable 1% or somesuch as it stands right now.