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mircea_popescu: fucking irresponsible
to encourage it in children. under any pretext.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-11 00:20 mircea_popescu:
the inuitive approach (oh ~obviously~ i know what a string is, just like when anne sexton writes in her spiral notebook amirite ?) utterly fails ; and even in
the hands of very subtle
thinkers it can explode loudly - witness
the many day disagreement with alf over
the matter of utf/ansi, which unearthed disputes all
the way
to
the greek ikonoclasm and
the fundaments of literacy/alphabet.
ben_vulpes: hm,
this calls for a header contextual
mircea_popescu: girl
to
the left is
topless but sadly can't get it all in
mircea_popescu: china ~is~ extremely soft however, so
they may permit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ironically,
that is not up
to him. china decides
there ; anyone who wants
to keep
their credit line will conform, and
that includes
the us.
mircea_popescu: (guy's a primo idiot, should be
the poster child of
the whole "bureaucracy lost
touch"
thing. "here's a slapstick with a lot of facial reconstructive surgery")
mircea_popescu: (at least, everyone, literally,
thinks he will, so
the other participants won't partiicpate, so paris is dead.
mircea_popescu: (laugh at me if you will at my homely simplicity, but
to me
that example is sufficient proof
that
the language is not practically useful. if even for
the purpose of didactic example it requires
the chicken-in-vacuum notion of an eating cycle which is based on hamburger quanta...)
mircea_popescu: i didn't make it
that far, shipwrecked over
the eat hamburger
thing
pete_dushenski appreciates all
the framework building, as ever, and is off
to
the mountains for
the long weekend. cheers.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> plumbing is not difficult in
the intellectual sense. but is question of how much shit you can stand
to be soaked in. << Also how
to sweat connections without burning
the shit out of surroundings
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's vaguely regrettable no one with an old dogde pick-up ran.
then he could have driven it all
the way over
to
the wh and park it on
the lawn. << Naturally because I'd be replaceing
the lawn with better grass. Make Grass Green Again!
ben_vulpes: suspected, hence
the hesitant forth putting
jurov: heh no. you draw and fill in
the flowchart and it generates code in usual language
mircea_popescu: oh
the flowchart
thing. i suspected it's what phf made
the v charts with :p
mircea_popescu: certainly might explain why code bloat is so commonly
the result of college-educated engineer employment.
mircea_popescu: jurov iknowright! "the economy is fine, we just don't know how any of
the parts work. also we understand
the brain and we sequenced
the genome. btw
the global warming"
mircea_popescu: the inuitive approach (oh ~obviously~ i know what a string is, just like when anne sexton writes in her spiral notebook amirite ?) utterly fails ; and even in
the hands of very subtle
thinkers it can explode loudly - witness
the many day disagreement with alf over
the matter of utf/ansi, which unearthed disputes all
the way
to
the greek ikonoclasm and
the fundaments of literacy/alphabet.
☟︎ jurov: strings are fine, but
the characters. noone knows what character is.
mircea_popescu: trinque but
the fundamental problems with
the concept of "string" aren't.
jurov: heh, don't know what
to answer. still learning
trinque: jurov: I would've stayed in
the school
that
taught
those.
pete_dushenski: jurov: ok.
then what did you learn after
that was a better framework ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm. can't say
that my monastic existence necessarily welcomes shit soaking, but... higher (republican) callings must prevail!
trinque: ftr I am a college dropout, and it
turns out books from
the 80s can still be had.
jurov: pete_dushenski: i have my doubts about
that framework
trinque: more advisable would be
to pick a
thing
to build, and
then beat yourself against
this problem until either breaks
pete_dushenski: jurov: ya not saying formal education is
the be all and end all, far from it (hell, i'm even reluctant
to register 'resp' for chiltin), just
that, if done well, it can provide a framework for further learning. otherwise its markov chains with no grounding.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-10 23:56 pete_dushenski:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << for your entomological pleasure,
this is an example of an elementary cs discussion
that intrigues me and i ~want~
to understand yet requires afaics zero math.
the logs abound with other examples of 'this language does
this but not
that and is
therefore better suited for
the other
thing'
that i (perhaps naively) deem valuable despite not having a ready application
jurov: pete_dushenski: i have soi-dissant master degree in cs, but actually learned everything important outside of school by
tinkering and reading
pete_dushenski: in other news, usg doesn't want
to call michigan for
trump or what ? final
tally will be 306-228.
pete_dushenski: anyways, phf's line is but one example.
the corpse
that was my 'trb history' should serve as
the only proof required
that i have deeply nfi which way is up in
the cs field and
that is has ~zero
to do with maths.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:52 phf: and for
the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str
to unicode
that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside
the html encoder or whatever.
the correct way is
to
treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.
pete_dushenski:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << for your entomological pleasure,
this is an example of an elementary cs discussion
that intrigues me and i ~want~
to understand yet requires afaics zero math.
the logs abound with other examples of 'this language does
this but not
that and is
therefore better suited for
the other
thing'
that i (perhaps naively) deem valuable despite not having a ready application
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: i'm aware
that
technically it would qualify as olympiad subject matter for
that reason ; but still.
mircea_popescu: "theory of relativity used no math beyond highschool, so why didn't you come up with it" is a horrible reason
to beat up your
teenager some night in 1915.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the point you elude here is
that education is not so much about gaining
things as it is about losing
them. it's like washing not like book implants.
pete_dushenski: the shit ?! i went
to french immersion not cs immersion!!!1
a111: Logged on 2016-11-10 22:54 pete_dushenski: i'm a bit far behind
to be a
total cs head anyways, just
trying
to keep up with some of
the convos.
mircea_popescu: let's
try
this again. on what is your notion
that "he
threw
to make readers
think he were a chick" based ?
mircea_popescu: ollege. If you are going
to college
to get an education and not
to meet guys, you are insane, literally insane, delusional, in reality one is never going
to happen and
the other is going
to happen anyway, and you could have gotten both for free at a bookstore. Worked for me.
The only question for
the future single mom is whether it's worth $XXXXXX a year
to meet guys, and
the answer is of course it's not, even nightclubs l
mircea_popescu: "Of course I'm not happy about
this, I like smart people, but
that's
the new reality.
There was a
time where women went
to college
to get an MRS degree, and I am
telling you
that
that
time is
today,
there is nothing else of value in
there. Sure, some college women go on
to become doctors and CEOs, and some go on
to become child pornographers and Salon writers, none of
those
things have anything
to do with what happened in c
pete_dushenski: as
to scary
things, i can see it. and believe it or not i'm doing just
this on meatspace projects. just have
to kill a few dragons
to get
to
the (republican) princess.
pete_dushenski: i'm a bit far behind
to be a
total cs head anyways, just
trying
to keep up with some of
the convos.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just do
things. especially
the
things
that are big and scary.
that'd be a better statement.
mircea_popescu: the point however IS
to get people
to do
things
that ... well, "out of confort zone" is
the common expression, but it's unserviceable for at least
two reasons.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski mind
that
the point isn't by any means
to
turn everyone into a cs head.
those are probably oversupplied.
pete_dushenski: if not indefinitely so. lastly, if i had who else
to emulate, i... would. but
taleb's a bit of a hermit and i have nfi who else (alive)
that leaves.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ya, i can
take it easy on
the barfbombs. am also
taking ug cs course
to fill in
the holes in my education. not likely
to lisp anytime
this decade but working
towards being a more useful citizen of
the republic. bbet seemed like potential avenue. your ancient suggestion
to serve as marketing agent for
tmsr-related entities isn't forgotten but meatwot obligations currently prevent its pursuit,
mircea_popescu:
https://archive.is/Shq9z << in vague lulz : romanian immigrant (from small
town in romania's own rust belt) living in az and working as a rent-a-cop voted
trump. his declared principal issue : "the stability of world peace".
trinque: my survival strategy with webshit has always been
to heretically do as little as possible client-side
Framedragger: still
though, not exactly much of an answer. (it was a small web shop, granted, but yes ridiculous
title)
Framedragger: phf: in
truth, not sure if coffeescript had source maps back
then
Framedragger: ikr.
that's what it did
to me when i had
to debug it. ugh
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ya i figured.. i mean, it's a pile o' nothing, can't argue with
that.
Framedragger: i remember having
to debug frontend code (which i wasn't supposed
to
touch in
the first place), looked at JS exceptions, didn't make any sense, until realized
that it was "compiled from coffeescript". asked "lead frontend engineer" how do i debug, he said he'll check and sort it himself, "it's not really debuggable". OK.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'm with
the "Shouldn't even be counted" side.
Framedragger: it's a shame
that large part of 'infrastructure' is built and run by
those
teenagers.
then again maybe it shouldn't even be counted
to be part of anything.
Framedragger: The language was absolutely not designed for programming in
the large, and our implementation decisions, performance
targets, and so on, were based on
that assumption. [Goes on
to show just how insanely dynamic JS is, and how it's mostly suitable for one-liners, etc.]"
Framedragger: (I worked on
the original versions of JScript at Microsoft from 1996
through 2001.)
The by-design purpose of JavaScript was
to make
the monkey dance when you moused over it. Scripts were often a single line. We considered
ten line scripts
to be pretty normal, hundred line scripts
to be huge, and
thousand line scripts were unheard of.
Framedragger: dynamically
typed and a language also lacking all
the other facilities
that make lowering
the cost of maintaining a large codebase easier"