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asciilifeform: benkay: here i am

pankkake: by multiple bitcoinds I just meant multiple bitcoinds. like multiple frontend servers

mike_c: benkay: i decided we need PEPs first, not BNF.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu nope. me, i use lex and yacc, and even those only when it cannot be helped.

MisterE: I suspect Cox ran into a similar wall but without FBs resources

MisterE: BingoBoingo: I reckon it was a problem with scaling

B007_: I'm hungry as fuck

B007_: I want som

B007_: i mean it has a 2

mircea_popescu2: i ended up having to connect by ip because chat.freenode.net for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip

Mats_cd03: I think it'd be easy, I might even start writing the code now just to see it happen

mircea_popescu2: da fuck i just been targetted

decimation: mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC

herbijudlestoids: i think hes just saying bitcoind VM instances, spawned in IaaS, funded by BT

herbijudlestoids: decimation: you mean like openstack swift has done? ;) but i dont think thats what he was referring to

BingoBoingo: benkay: I'd venture even securing coins is something a casual user could do.

decimation: Mats; I doubt anyone here wants to reinvent S3

benkay: lissen mike_c i gotta dip a few blocks over to a nerd thing i'll be back online in like 20 or 30 minutes

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I suffered through reading it. It isn't bad. I've found tear gas relatively not that bad.

mike_c: yeah.. not about understanding the notation. i can read assembly too, but i'd rather read C. but perhaps for something like the network protocol you're right.

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i understand, and apologise, but still, would value thoughts and opinions on what i think is a good article. if you like i can pastebin it?

Mats_cd03: i have a great idea: what if someone offered a service for n number of nodes spawned through e.g. digitalocean

BingoBoingo: I can't stand medium.com

mike_c: ah :) i guess i'm saying i wouldn't want algebra or java to be the spec.

benkay: i went to the bathroom

mike_c: benkay: did you survive ddos? i wasn't asking rhetorically.

B007_: I know

B007_: mircea_popescu: I still want to be un-poor

BingoBoingo: Oh, DDoS time I see

herbijudlestoids: sorry, was raging to my team about the shittiest con call i was just on

mike_c: so a UML diagram helps? I don't think it does.

mike_c: yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner.

benkay: i'd rather take the network client actually

mike_c: what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it.

decimation: yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it.

benkay: i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into

benkay: if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars.

pankkake: I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la https://xkcd.com/353/

decimation: I saw that greenarrays stuff

benkay: baw haw haw javascript anything i cry

decimation: I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth

decimation: I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here: http://www.forthfreak.net/jsforth.html

decimation: after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth

benkay: nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is)

decimation: I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code

BingoBoingo: As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago.

BingoBoingo: At least not as I understand problem and BTC code

mircea_popescu: decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team

BingoBoingo: decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation

asciilifeform: i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose.

mircea_popescu: decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D

decimation: I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems)

asciilifeform: i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all.

BingoBoingo: I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem

decimation: indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note

asciilifeform: -ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed."

asciilifeform: "You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand ☟︎

herbijudlestoids: also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on mpex.co

decimation: I have a small collection of Weimar Marks

herbijudlestoids: so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at?

kakobrekla: i think you can use blockr api for altcoin

mircea_popescu: yeah, i see great future for the fiat system.

herbijudlestoids: on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC

herbijudlestoids: i been sick as a fucken dog

asciilifeform: i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $.

asciilifeform: (i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.)

decimation: I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only

Shakespeare: i have it on namecheap

pankkake: so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily

Shakespeare: pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm.

asciilifeform: i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it

mircea_popescu: nm, i eat cocks.

pankkake: well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool"

pankkake: I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect

asciilifeform: last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK)

pankkake: number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins

mircea_popescu: and i do mean MAKE

pankkake: I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange

Shakespeare: i can try

asciilifeform: unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat'

mircea_popescu: dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking

benkay: except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive.

TestingUnoDosTre: can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat?

davout: mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement

BingoBoingo: jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing

BingoBoingo: I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then.

BingoBoingo: davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now.

davout: BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too

davout: "oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank"

deadweasel: i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up.

BingoBoingo: davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days

davout: I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter

davout: i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance

davout: pankkake: i don't really follow soccer

pankkake: I haven't followed the details

davout: funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars