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mircea_popescu: pankkake i hear you gotta be a fag to man an oil rig.
asciilifeform: dealing in redditronics ought to earn a hazard pay, like soviet workers in the far north
mircea_popescu: MarieLynn mno. that's getting a good remote job.
MarieLynn: You keep living in a cheap place a reap the benefits of working in a place where they pay more for talent.
asciilifeform: pankkake: you just need a macbook and a fedora << and a leaden stomach
MarieLynn: Nice opportunity to arbitrage your skills when you live in a super cheap place!
pankkake: it's easy to be a Ruby dev. you just need a macbook and a fedora
mircea_popescu: davout was a rails dev if memory serves :D
mircea_popescu: for all your poetry and wit couldn't buy you half a hash.
MarieLynn: My friend is looking for a Rails dev @ 120-180K for his kinky site... I wish I was a Rails dev all of a sudden :) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: this decimal point crap is a mega-lol. they can't inflate, so... let's move decimal. like in a banana republic, or '90s russia.
mircea_popescu: as i said a few times before, the other party can move it up to getting shot any time it feels ready
mircea_popescu: put a glass panel in your fence ?
mircea_popescu: well that all depends, i guess. what's to keep you from cutting a square foot window in the tree ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: treetops, flying machines parked on office roofs, charging solar, etc. - sure. line of sight to a friendly window, city-style - not likely.
mircea_popescu: he's almost as bad as the forum average, 25% loss over a year.
Namworld: Go in suburbia, stand any random spot, look around. Line of sight to plenty of solid points will be found. Get creative. (Are we still talking about creating a comm mesh?)
mircea_popescu: Namworld i can see that, yeah. there's nothing like "confusion" when the "confused" stands to make a buck from it.
SuchWow: I hang out in a large number of bitcoin and dogecoin related chans
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> good luck setting up a line-of-sight anything in u.s. suburbia. << why ?
Namworld: Plus you know a few places would scam people "We only owe you X BTC" and the generic moron would go "I knew it, BTC under 1 dollar by the end of the year."
mircea_popescu: because they imagine bitcoin is a consumer affair
mircea_popescu: heck, they probably have bitcoin defined as a real.
Namworld: What? That's retarded. We'd end up with 2000 BTC to the dollar and a shitload of BTC. Plus that wouldn't change anything at all, actually.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> bounce: HAMs tend to be a territorial and snitchy bunch << only because no real political pressure has been applied to them yet, because nobody gave a shit. normally the sewer rats are also a snitchy, territorial bunch. nevertheless, nobody in the lower east side would talk to a cop, pre ww2.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> and ignored << just because some inconsequential idiots a la bitpay & the forum are herping away dun mean anything's been ignored. you can't ignore the judge, or the bullet.
mircea_popescu: <joecool> the municipalities though would sell scrap licenses for these discarded items and arrest anyone who picked it up without a permit << fucking outrageous. selling licenses on MY trash ? heh.
mircea_popescu: they keep hearing "coca cola is a drink" they end up thinking it's a drink.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much exactly. which is why a lot more "fuck the poor, they're less than dirt" needs to be stated explicitly.
bounce: it'd be useful to have a bursting service on your radio
asciilifeform: this was mainly from a shortage of master 'morsemen'
jborkl: You get to listen to a bunch of titybabies cry all day?
mircea_popescu: <MarieLynn> Before that I was a tour guide across North America, I started at 18. And a nanny too :) << now how do you figure that being a tour guide and a nanny transitions to providing leadership services for the world's most important project ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/opinion/egan-sports-the-most-progressive-force-in-america.html <<< lmao they say that as if it were somehow a good thing. lulzy shit.
mircea_popescu: such a thing is nonsensical, much like any scenario breaing thermodynamicsa.
bounce: what'd be the most widely available stuff that does ssb? I'd expect 27mc. which, since there's lots of crap going on there anyway, wouldn't be a bad band to use
mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE’s assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been “under-banked.” I must note, however, there
joecool: asciilifeform: the idea would be to mesh a town, and use HV lines to link to other towns
joecool: asciilifeform: yeah i knew that much, but could still use HV lines to go a distance, no?
asciilifeform: bounce: original design was to resist nukes, rather than a million squads of dutiful monkeys in vans
bounce: the goal isn't to cook up an invulnerable system. the goal is to cook up a resilient system. ten different systems working together would be even better.
joecool: asciilifeform: why not use existing infrastructure, figure out how to inject a signal into powerline
bounce: once "TSHTF" enforcement agencies will become haphazard in their actions, so nicely spread out stashes would help a lot
BingoBoingo: bounce you know a number of missile targeting systems seek RF emissions.
mircea_popescu: should a government - any government - take things back to that level, it'd be to their detriment, not to mine.
bounce: it's a proven design. now move the radio to some neverland(, and see which military outfit shows up)
asciilifeform: if you're pumping out kWatts of whatever, wherever - you're a target.
bounce: bunch of those would be a convenient start. though I really would prefer a nice high gain omni on top.
asciilifeform: if you're 'meshing' with consumer hardware, on fixed, documented frequencies - you're a target.
asciilifeform: and to think that it is purely an 'american problem' - is a mistake.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> yeah, well the stigma did not create itself << stigma means, of course, a stain.
asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem,' and say that the time to build comm infrastructure out of the real (or imagined) control of the crown is now, and not when it becomes a dire necessity.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> "let me tell you a story…" contradictor falls asleep, win by default << o lies and slander. my stories kick ass
joecool: i had a 30mi clear shot from my back deck of old house to an observation deck @ a state park
asciilifeform: put up a mast << might as well hoist a black flag on same mast.
joecool: again, a mountain helps a lot
bounce: put up a mast?
asciilifeform: good luck setting up a line-of-sight anything in u.s. suburbia.
joecool: there's a site you can use to check what mountains are in the way
joecool: 20-30mi with 5GHZ line of sight is feasible, i used to live on a mountain and experimented with some pretty long links
asciilifeform: the point i wanted to make was that anything other than a very broad, military-style spread spectrum setup, with hop keys exchanged in person, is simply a beacon for the gasenwagen.
bounce: or stick to linking up wifi nodes with dish antennae. that goes a while too.
bounce: well, then forget about the licence and go entirely pirate with a spread-spectrum frequency-hopping whatever construct.
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Had it been done at the beginning 1mn satoshis to the bitcoin would have made more sense. That would have made 2.1 billion bitcoin in total and maybe that number would have made people register that 21 million was not an arbitrary number and making coins with more is just a fucking headache.
bounce: one option might be to get a boating radio licence. they're already throwing packet over those frequencies for email-to-boat
BingoBoingo: bounce: HAMs tend to be a territorial and snitchy bunch
bounce: there's some interesting digital modulations about. if I ever get around to a HAM licence I'd probably still dump crypted data on the wire along with a readable call sign
asciilifeform: anything that transmits over 1000km is a fat target.
joecool: 1000's of km? gonna need relays or a signal that can bounce
asciilifeform: a usenet-style system, where messages might resort to travelling in a truck full of disk, seems inevitable in a scenario like this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: real time tcp/ip, over 1000s of km, for millions of people - is a luxury.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the adoption argument is that it seems "more like a currency" because we're used to 2 decimal places, and most account software can't work with more than 2 anyway
joecool: the municipalities though would sell scrap licenses for these discarded items and arrest anyone who picked it up without a permit
asciilifeform: sorta like how, in old scotland, they had a contraption very similar to the later guillotine - 'scottish gibbet' - where a cattle or horse thief would find the animal he stole attached to a rope, which pulls out the peg, blade falls. ☟︎
joecool: my state had a unique copper problem
asciilifeform: (can easily think of creative penalties for buyers of stolen copper. say, hanging with same stolen cable. on a hv mast.)
asciilifeform: in a functioning empire, the penalty would be - sizzling in the electric chair. right there, in the bed of a specially-built police truck.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Optic net is also a possibility. Fiber without the fiber.
pankkake: yeah, I know that story. copper stealing is a worldwide plague done by various people
joecool: pankkake: you're thinking georgians, they'll cut into anything remotely resembling a wire, source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-access
asciilifeform: the correct way to do 'pirate radio' net is - frequency hopping 'spread spectrum.' meet the other local node people in person, to agree on a key.
asciilifeform: plenty of quiet spectrum, there for the taking, esp. if one only needs a few km of range.
asciilifeform: and, given that 'one may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb,' why stick to only 2m.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Shame encryption on Amateur radio frequencies is a crime << eventually, u.s. folks who want genuine net will need to commit this - or some other - crime.
asciilifeform: the one on my street emptied out a few years ago
asciilifeform: my understanding is that these, at least where i live, and in a number of other places, have given out - and never replaced
asciilifeform: in a traditional telco plant, there are giant air dryers, blowing into ducts, to keep positive pressure
BingoBoingo: Shame encryption on Amateur radio frequencies is a crime.
asciilifeform: nobody gives a damn, at present, because we all love fiber
asciilifeform: for example - moving into new house, i discovered a dangling stub where the old 'bell atlantic' copper ought to be.
MarieLynn: Went to a FidoNet Con last year :)
BingoBoingo: I once produced a version of a web site I ran as a gopher site, in 2011, Library school project
asciilifeform: paradoxically, a return of the era when you must beg/borrow/steal genuine net access from employers, universities - could actually end 'eternal september.'
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, aol, compuserve, et al. died a very deserved market death
bounce: I'm not sure that's a valid premise
pankkake: it made a way more social person, for sure. that and alcohol
bitcoinpete: college is best used as a dating service
MarieLynn: Before that I was a tour guide across North America, I started at 18. And a nanny too :)
pankkake: higher education has been a interesting experience, but I could have skipped (and did) most classes