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asciilifeform: so we're no longer answering the question of what the find per se is worth, in that case.
asciilifeform: but this destroys most of the value of the find
asciilifeform: to go back to the example with coins - you're probably safe if you melt them down and sell by gram
asciilifeform: sold as scrap, yes.
asciilifeform: if they're the real thing (full auto) - you're probably bankrupt just staying out of court
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: afaik+ianal - it depends where in usa.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: worth what? plenty. liquidate it? more likely, your organs will be sold to pay for it carted away
asciilifeform: or 'mustard gas' - as happened in early 2000s near an embassy in d.c.
asciilifeform: or - to make life more interesting - let's say that you find a sealed crate of kalashes, in cosmoline, rather than coins.
asciilifeform: for instance, IANAL, but i can easily picture, e.g, a landlord, arguing 'mineral rights' on the coins.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and this isn't even considering the variant with spurious lawsuits
asciilifeform: so anyone's guess
asciilifeform: plus such finds are generally sold for numismatic value, and not as bullion
asciilifeform: how much the crown took; how much - auctioneers
asciilifeform: how much he kept from the 200 ?
asciilifeform: when digging my garden (moved out of microscopic flat in late may, into a rented house) i found intact glass bottles, with caps on. appear to contain decades-old 'coca cola.'
asciilifeform: that is, pour water, see how quickly it absorbs
asciilifeform: incidentally, if burial is recent, a searcher can use 'nazi method'
asciilifeform: or - build own.
asciilifeform: decimation: the instrument in question is no military secret of any kind. contact a firm that lays pipes.
asciilifeform: just like the other wretches stuck therein
asciilifeform: get out of the sticks << all of us in the sticks - are there for reasons.
asciilifeform: decimation: my particular one even mentioned failure of the vault locks.
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with 'mine detector' that every kid owns)
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: field day for the folks with ground-penetrating radar.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: them.
asciilifeform: upon reading of that contract, i came to inescapable conclusion that the box thing is an active chump-magnet rather than simply a poor deal.
asciilifeform: 0 liability for bank.
asciilifeform: fire was also excluded.
asciilifeform: i can hardly picture a dumber hiding place then a container in a public place with your name on it.
asciilifeform: divorce << probably the worst possible use of a bank box in usa. other tidbit in the contract was that the bank will immediately impound any box against whose owner there are civil proceedings
asciilifeform: decimation: in usa, people have contracted the disease of thinking that money can substitute for everything, including brain and balls
asciilifeform: decimation: see mircea_popescu's point earlier
asciilifeform: implication, to me, was - if you're happy with the box, take your goodies and post them straight to the enemy - at least then you'll know where they are.
asciilifeform: decimation: esp. since the one and only event that could reasonably be insured against - contents present at logged date N and absent on opening N+k - wasn't.
asciilifeform: decimation: the point of the bank box story is that it was entirely unclear to me wtf is the very point of such a thing, given the caveats
asciilifeform: drowning a box of strange in the atlantic is a considerably quieter operation than launching a rocket, however. so perhaps it wins.
asciilifeform: i did tally up the cost, but the first anything naturally - expensive.
asciilifeform: sea capsule is just a gedankenexperiment (though, i'm told, u.s. navy has insisted on actually trying.) i'm not altogether convinced that, properly carried out, it is cheaper than 'graveyard orbit'
asciilifeform: yes. but those have engines, men, cost more.
asciilifeform: (free up the men normally guarding for other pursuits; replace with king neptune, who can't be bribed and doesn't sleep)
asciilifeform: hence the sea capsule example. for some classes of object (nuke?) this might be cost-effective storage.
asciilifeform: hold territory - sure. impale enemies - yes. bury treasure - why ?
asciilifeform: but notice that active players in a war rarely occupy themselves with hiding valuables
asciilifeform: if like war - straight to war.
asciilifeform: killed by anyone << aha - 'homo sacer'
asciilifeform: seems like we've this one nailed down. now, implementation... 'exercise for alert reader.'
asciilifeform: inventions - happen.
asciilifeform: led by the smartest people ever << aye. witness that there are 'ukrainians' alive.
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: that's who most of the muppets in question are
asciilifeform: how does one say 'приспособленец' in english ?
asciilifeform: ussr, for instance, did no such thing when germany lost.
asciilifeform: if this happens - it'll be a historic first, afaik.
asciilifeform: there are folks (in usa) working on this variant as we speak. the ones that succeed and aren't provocateur shills - we'll know because none of them are on the net.
asciilifeform: point, yes
asciilifeform: the best castle wall is - distance. works even on nukes.
asciilifeform: and if it becomes generally known that, e.g., a Castle Moldenstein, contains a bunker full of goodies - there is the incentive for all-comers to soften the target.
asciilifeform: while supplies last.
asciilifeform: in my experience, folks preoccupied with hidey-holes tend to neglect the question of where they intend to hide... their arse
asciilifeform: i.e., armed thugs turned free-agent when the whole thing finally blows
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'usg' in that context also includes all 'decay daughters' thereof
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'swat' post: am i the only one who instantly thought of this: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/files/2009/09/14-sovietleaderleonidbrezhnevandeas.jpg
asciilifeform: it is said to contain a great many.
asciilifeform: i thought those go to the basement of 'the fed' in wash., d.c.
asciilifeform: and may not ever exist.
asciilifeform: (moral, for the thick, is that an equivalent of the profession 'optician' does not yet exist for these machines)
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform always found it interesting that people whine if they try to use his computer, but never think to borrow eyeglasses and then complain
asciilifeform: did. lol
asciilifeform: -- said herr daguerre
asciilifeform: on which end.
asciilifeform: 'the only 'intuitive' interface is the tit - everything after that is learned.' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e., instrument with user interface of a pencil, but somehow not the functionality of pencil.
asciilifeform: but yes, normally when people whine about 'usability,' they want - pony.
asciilifeform: in the latter, considerably greater consistency of flags
asciilifeform: 'usability' << is not necessarily a nonsense word. consider the difference between the linux and bsd userland utils
asciilifeform: mis-spent youth.
asciilifeform: (not the message. the condition.)
asciilifeform: lp0 on fire << saw this alive
asciilifeform: 'error - not a typewriter' << actual
asciilifeform: 'i even made a pony-monkey hybrid to please you! what's with all the screaming. you like monkeys, you like ponys. maybe i used too many monkeys... isn't it enough that i ruined a pony making a gift for you!'
asciilifeform: yes, we'd all like 'a pony.'
asciilifeform: modern 'neural network' ocr - at least for latin alphabet - is 99+% accurate. sadly this is not enough to dispense with the original images.
asciilifeform: decimation: it's already in the standard
asciilifeform: so document becomes quasi-searchable while viewed in the customary way
asciilifeform: ocr performed on 'djvu' document typically inserts an ascii text track, along with 'bounding boxes' internally
asciilifeform: plus one generally wants to keep the photos.
asciilifeform: present-day ocr is notoriously inadequate for scanned historic documents, esp. of poor quality or non-latin scripts.
asciilifeform: afaik patent trolls succeeded in more or less exterminating acceptable compression for scanned books. djvu was devised by folks who didn't care to comply.
asciilifeform: if you have an 'ocr' system, the format allows for an searchable text 'track.'
asciilifeform: a fat book takes <5 MB typically.
asciilifeform: 'djvu', even on an aged box, scrolls so quickly one almost can believe he has a microfilm viewer.
asciilifeform: (fully documented format, originally, afaik, crapped out by 'bell labs')
asciilifeform: russians, accustomed to carrying around terabytes of scanned w4r3z for a generation, prefer 'djvu' - for which there is really no substitute.
asciilifeform: some. of the purported crap. yes.
asciilifeform: and the authenticity of the ones that were - is, naturally, questionable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very few of the original papers were ever made public as such