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asciilifeform off to try an' get $useful_thing done, bbl.
asciilifeform: in the latter - i have nfi. SHIPYARDS!11111
asciilifeform: in the former - yes, d00d like mircea_popescu who can do arithmetic and write down the alphabet, say, is citizen, and locally born monkey - not.
asciilifeform: there are really 2 'trumpreichs', the imaginary, spherical one, which is friend of tmsr, sound money, etc. and the physical one, that is (to borrow from lenin) 'we smashed the old shithouse and now gotta build new one using the bricks of the old'
mircea_popescu wonders if by trumpreich rules, he is more us citizen than colored woman born there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's clear bannon has no more use of the gop than of the dems ; trump's intelligent ouvertures to libertard reps evidently bear his signature. you're going to get your brown shirts next year chances are.
asciilifeform: and what is this 'rebuild' nonsense. where is the smoke of the ovens cremating the megatonnes of defective hyooman materiel ?
mircea_popescu: whole thing has to be scrapped and rebuilt, they're a laughingstock not for actually competent players such as romania, but for utter nobodies from fucking arfrica / latam
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no way around it - us signals is more of a joke than stalin's were in 1938.
mircea_popescu: now the part where the financial markets afford a once-in-a-century opportunity to rebuild is sound ; but the part where jacked up "iron works and shipyards" are the answer is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: the point where hillary talked to the WRONG set of 9bn-worth corps with 9 employees, ie the failure of the usg to elect its candidate has exactly to do with the elites deserting it in favour of the republic, ie http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/
mircea_popescu: and the point where the conservatives are likely going to hate trump more than the liberals ever did, two years from now.
mircea_popescu: the point where the murdoch clan is going to probably try and reconstruct "conservative" fox into a "centrist" bullshit built around that mispelled megan kelly harlot (really, ambitious news anchor who lied about the network boss "sexually harassing" her to try and take his place, what a fine clinton!)
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/SG5uV << this is actuallty a pretty decent read (by virtue of the anodyne jew "authoring" the piece out of mostly verbatim bannon material)
asciilifeform: and i always liked to imagine that a pl/i programmer dies like the proverbial talmudist dies, when a volume of the megalithic encyclopaedia of crapolade finally falls on his head from the top shelf
mircea_popescu: the thing everyone-but-us fails to comprehend is that the ~only way in which a relatively simple functional system becomes the de facto standard is through a lofty body of pretense declaring a much more complex and dysfunctional system "the standard".
asciilifeform has a relative who moved to usa in 1980s and made phat wage programming in PL/I for many many years. it is 'featurism' incarnate, like american legal code. and for roughly same reason.
mircea_popescu: "Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not?"
asciilifeform: 4. watch those schmucks over there, they built a working machine. and now nobody needs'em, they dun MATTER. 5. we will not make this mistake
mircea_popescu: here's the whole story of standard : 1. hey, wouldn't it be great if we mattered ? 2. so if it'd be great, then therefore we matter! 3. our not mattering is wrong!
asciilifeform: (btw when you throw acpi crapolade out of linuxbios, the binary shrinks 2x)
asciilifeform: it -- notably -- worx on all x86 boxen, unlike the acpi 'soft reset' crapola which -- not so much
mircea_popescu: (pro tip - triple fault resetting is STILL in the linux kernel.)
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, look into why triple-fault switching rather than using the god damned reset signal ended up a programming standard.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, exercise for the curious youth : find out why the 21st pin on the system bus in your fucking machine can be set to zero.
Framedragger: ah, good example.. (yeah totally agree here)
mircea_popescu: there is exactly 0 value in the bureaucrat ontology.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger re the above, consider just the fucking x.500 x.509 debacle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform absolutely everyone, from grace hopper to you name it, went away 1990-2010.
asciilifeform: mccarthy, ritchie, forrester, gone... when the good doktor knuth finally kicks it, it'll be finally time to glass the place
asciilifeform: 'Forrester became a critic of growth, a position that earned him few friends.'
mircea_popescu: and in other things that apparently if incomprehensibly still exist, http://www.litespeedtech.com/index.php/solutions/shared-hosting-users
asciilifeform: (actual p2p chat between kons000mer d00dz behind NATs was impractical then just as now)
a111: Logged on 2013-09-12 00:26 mircea_popescu: just don't try to sell me on any sort of comittees making "industry standards" or anything.
Framedragger: this is mircea_popescu in september 2013, in response to "pankkake: federated xmpp isn't that bad. it can do voice/video/text with encryption" ;)
mircea_popescu: lol wtf is this
Framedragger: ahaha, 2013: "mircea_popescu: i would never use anything that implements a protocol for any serious purpose anymore."
asciilifeform: eh they were all 'manyto1', the 1 centralized aol box. (at least in the case of aol messenger, which was popular in usa at the time)
mircea_popescu: but the notion of handling 1to1 rather than 1tomany and manyto1 is not without merit ; and it allowed them to protect the users from many problems of irc, which is why it blew past irc usage by 2000
mircea_popescu: no. in the same exact sense facebook is.
asciilifeform: in the same sense where ftp is
mircea_popescu: note that irc is also based on centralized servers, freenode flimflammery about donated servers aside - sure, you can donate, if your name doesn't start with m, but n.
mircea_popescu: at a time when irc required a lot more competence to use.
mircea_popescu: also from a cultural pov perspective - it was the first one of many things ; including the first im.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were, iirc, openly published clients for all of these
mircea_popescu: or at least was back when the jews owned it, no idea now. iirc aol actually bought them
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1527135 << thread ☝︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ironically, it didn't smell that bad. smell is a subjective sense.
asciilifeform: at any rate from my 'general's armchair' i am hard-pressed to technically distinguish aim, watsap, icq, slack.
Framedragger: "emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails" << that's just plain sexy
asciilifeform: (sadly nothing of interest was to be found therein, but for the fact)
asciilifeform: in 2003 i bought a massive hp pa-risc box (complete with emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails, etc) and it turned out to have been an old aol 'messenger' server !
mircea_popescu: oya. most people involved on the business side still have and daily use icq
asciilifeform: srsly?! today?!
mircea_popescu: nah, icq was cool. to this day it dominates the pronz, but back in the 90s it was simply the thing./
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'slack' is simply today's 'aol messenger', 'icq', same '90s centralized chatroom item. sufficiently similar, on surface, to irc, that i'd imagine folks would be used to the concept ?
mircea_popescu: which is kinda the point - the context must be a) narrow and b) poking you in the eye. the problem with irc, and es-fucking-pecially irc as practiced here is that the context is vast, so vast it makes a circle much further out than the general myopia can perceive.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the general public is mentally capable of using irc. it just doesn't fit the reddit/disqus/chatroulette/4chan/whatever thing
Framedragger: not saying it's worth the effort to dig!
asciilifeform: (almost the entire mendeleev table, in fact!111)
asciilifeform: and there is gold and uranium in ocean water.
Framedragger: tbh i think there still are some small subreddits with people. couldn't confirm tho.
asciilifeform: for short time, 2006-7ish.
asciilifeform: i got acct on reddit 10 years ago now... still remember when there were ~people~ there
Framedragger: socially awkward and generally inept, choose 2 of 2 to describe typical redditor.
Framedragger: i think that many of them do not, in the sense that e.g. you understand "conversation". i don't know. i got that picture when i had spent time on reddit.
asciilifeform: do they not have conversations in meatspace..?
Framedragger: maybe not used to irc. "i can't add a shallow-pun-comment and feel like i contributed. i'm supposed to do.. dialogue, or something."
asciilifeform: it is likely from a http://webchat.freenode.net i left in reddit thread somebody put here the other day.
mircea_popescu: at least she has her active social life to fall back on.
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxppNdbW8AAqfSa.jpg <<< troll harder
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work."
mircea_popescu: hm. actually - somebody should help ver along the lines of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570491 as it occurs telling the poor man ain't gonna do much. ☝︎
shinohai: I keep trolling ver but he won't block me! @zooko blocked me with a *single* tweet
mircea_popescu: somebody should tell ver the 2010s blue shirts are no longer fashionable.
shinohai: Autotweets all Qntra and trilemas
mircea_popescu: lol you autotweet them ?
shinohai smacks jhvh1 for not tweeting the latest Xtended.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol, anyways I'm planning to subtitle Xtends going forward so I can tell WTF past extends were roughly about
mircea_popescu: "Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not? Multiply a character string times a bit string and assign the result to a float decimal? Go ahead! Free a controlled variable procedure parameter and reallocate it before passing it back? Overlay three different types of variable on the same memory location? Anything you say! Write a recursive macro? Well, no, but Real Men use rescan."
Framedragger: trinque: you're right. was laziness on my part (it logs to actual log, too, so this is unneeded to boot)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love the "immanent trumpreich" bit. kant ftw.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 05:10 pete_dushenski: re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know.
mircea_popescu: other than they who did.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 03:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571339 << all drunk crashes in history beg to differ. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 02:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571320 << tru. ☝︎
pete_dushenski tips cap to bb for xtend mention of silly bet.
pete_dushenski: "it would still be unsurprising if they gave up on their fiction1 and began reporting magenta, dove gray, or old hot dog as their exchange rate" << lol.
scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-15-tmr-pence-in-our-time/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 15 (TM)(R) – Pence In Our Time
pete_dushenski: my only defense of that likely fraudulent chart is just that a warped measuring stick is at least wrong in a consistent and predictable way. this assumes all sorts of beneficence on the part of bc.i, however.
ben_vulpes: is there any good reason to trust that chart?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ViaBTC and antpool are a case of twincest
scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
pete_dushenski: re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know. ☟︎
trinque: Framedragger: ^ yo dawg, log somewhere you can read it; the information here is entirely useless to me
scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
pete_dushenski wonders if anyone else sees potential to be annoyed by scriba's constant interjections vis-a-vis link archival.