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mp_en_viaje: it's a approachably non-trivial, multiply useful task.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 22:32:08 asciilifeform: logger prolly a notbad test.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927285 << this was part and parcel of the original "make bots" decision, back in the day.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 22:19:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 16:55:24 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving
mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.
mp_en_viaje: so im sitting here on balcony after breakfast, watching the girly joggers file around the building, when suddenly "wtf is that plane doing ?! and why is it coming this way ?!"
asciilifeform: logger prolly a notbad test.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:47:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
asciilifeform: ( the log lines sit down monotonically always. the only use currently for the timestamp is the calendarization cut into days )
asciilifeform: imho monotonicity moar important in the timestamp than strict alignment w/ whatever zone.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:38:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927169 << i honestly have nfi what to say. time is beyond my comprehension.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927248 << i'ma move that clock some time no one is awake. and in general prolly worth to adjust it regularly (monthly?) nao that there's a log on that box.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 20:31:03 lobbes: still needs some tweaking (e.g. it barfs on unicode) and more testing before genesis.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:22:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
lobbes: However, it eats a dir full of ZNC logs, sorts in chronological order, puts it all into one file with proper unix epoch timestamps.
lobbes: still needs some tweaking (e.g. it barfs on unicode) and more testing before genesis.
lobbes: and here is the 'bare-bones' completed znc-eater.py : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3r1oH/?raw=true
lobbes: right now, though, I'ma get back to getting that znc-eater.py complete
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:23:48 mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving
BingoBoingo: I've been on a chili kick recently. Will probably photo blog something along those lines by the end of the month.
mp_en_viaje: truth be told, chet took the secret of that perfection with her ; never did manage to reproduce.
mp_en_viaje: o dude, i can almost taste that thing
BingoBoingo was about to report the wonderful photo in http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-pretend-to-be-miners-fo-real/ missing
BingoBoingo: Irony of Ironies is that North Argentina Pantsuit more likely to see a jail cell. South Argentina just might elect theirs President again.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, got a little moar pipe for trilema, turns out can only do so much of that, want to or not. hopefully this alleviates, wtf.
mp_en_viaje: sic transit, i guess Ima send the hilarity care packages in the hole, cigs wrapped in pantsuits.
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, north argentina old whore following in the footsteps of south argentina old whore. who could have predicted.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/arkancide-today-jeffery-epstein-dead-in-jail-two-weeks-after-being-put-on-suicide-watch-hours-after-pantsuit-names-released/ << Qntra -- Arkancide Today: Jeffery Epstein Dead In Jail Two Weeks After Being Put On Suicide Watch, Hours After Pantsuit Names Released
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 11:27:21 diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:49:59 diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927200 << very common in ro women, for some reason (perhaps to do with learning late).
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-19 12:09:38 mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse trees.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:37:23 asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927184 << this is the larger part ; also has fatigue and also has a list of "magical transformations" where it reduces/ablates the tree in surprising ways (really, informed by bias resulting from "land creature").
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:34:23 diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
mircea_popescu: do you propose, sending out patrols to shoot in the gut and leave for dead any pantsuit saying "instinct" incorrectly ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927179 << but THEY call it instinct. like they call education "rape" and like they call everything things. like the romanian morons call tjheir thing "a country", an unjustified audacity the zulus of last century did not express, and like any morons ever call things what they heard is good to call things. what
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:24:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927169 << i honestly have nfi what to say. time is beyond my comprehension.
mircea_popescu: and this precisely mirrors female becoming : the way girl grows into ~woman~ is by NOT following her girlidiocy, but speciffically repressing it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:20:38 diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927168 << yet the way in which experienced pilot gets to have instinct worth a shit is by ~not~ worshipping instinct as such.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:03:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re titanium -- they still sell it. (quasi-monopoly. but -- and common misconception -- it aint because of the sands, at least not directly; but rather because ru has the only seriously developed infrastructure for ti metallurgy )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927140 << there's also that, ti is a whore, contaminates easier than chocolate bar in the hands of a 5yo
mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 09:36:22 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 17:56:47 mircea_popescu: https://www.tailhook.net/AVSLANG.htm << better list than the hacker lexicon, in purely lexical terms, and an evident source of the pencildick's envious, unreferenced cultural appropriation.
asciilifeform also bbl, teatime
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suppose the 'max pain' zone is when barfs, but not often enuff to trigger 'obv., let's throw out' heh
asciilifeform: i suspect that this is what gave various folx the phobia of 'make logger'
diana_coman: sure; but: throw out, obv.
asciilifeform: the moar serious concern is time of operator, if it regularly barfs, will have to either go in and spoon-feed it or throw out
asciilifeform: diana_coman: a stolen logbot could be used to piss some garbage unto the chan while folx sleep, but that's more or less the max damage
diana_coman: after all, it's a logger, not something terribly sensitive
asciilifeform: diana_coman: atm i'm somewhat curious whether the logotron is even reproducible
diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
asciilifeform: lessee what mircea_popescu remembers re the ru people (supposing i didn't dream it)
diana_coman: but I don't really want the logger there too
asciilifeform: i'd rather not spend megabux on heathen hosters, but to put ~all~ in 1 cage is to tempt fate
asciilifeform: trinque had some box in asia, iirc also, but that's where deedbot disconnected ~daily , iirc
asciilifeform: i dun recall hearing any serious barf. ( and i think somebody still has a trb noad there )
asciilifeform: ( to move asciilifeform's www )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i've been thinking of getting a box in same ru place mircea_popescu once used
asciilifeform: i'ma add in coming days the 'raw line export' thing. but then ideally to get back in peh
diana_coman is still looking for "where to host bot, wtf"
asciilifeform: ( how to multiline ? example in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927070 . )
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers ! logotron vpatch set nao includes multilineism an' the date thing.
asciilifeform: ( this evokes laffs today, but vt100 cost what ~toyota cost )
asciilifeform: there's an infamous legend from '80s from some comp center where a vt100 was found to be mysteriously defective, no one could log in. electricals found to be 100% proper, no one could say why. until someone noticed that the table it sat on was too low, and folx ended up ~looking at keys~ instead of keying 'blind'. and 2 letters were swapped...
diana_coman: and hence the trouble with different environment - if different enough, the previous experience is worse than useless because actively hinders
diana_coman: the way I see it, it's simply shortcut obtained through experience; hence my statement above that it's not and cannot be out of nothing just like that; even what seems as "out of nothing" is just...forgot when learnt rather than truly out of nothing
asciilifeform: it's 'firmware call', but the firmware is 1e6 y.o., and in certain cases outta date..
diana_coman: uhm, some reflex too
diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
diana_coman: but fwiw I think I know what you mean; the "gut instinct" is not a generally-good thing; it's good at what it's good and doesn't translate well to dissimilar environment basically
asciilifeform: just about all types of transport moar complicated than pair of boots, require.
asciilifeform: it is moar or less universal thing
asciilifeform: there's a set of 'think instead of reflex' that folx learn when start to drive auto, also
diana_coman: but because of that, I know precisely what it took - a very lucid learning, let's say; not "intuitive", no
diana_coman: heh, I learnt to cycle when I was...~24 :|
asciilifeform: aa, it's an example i always use with usa folx, they usually go 'aha'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: sadly I never shot guns, no; (shot some bow and arrow but other than that, kills were of a more lower class countryside style rather than lord of the mannor)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, if you define instinct as "automated path", then it can be acquired even for "untypical environ" and essentially the only thing is when one says "instinct" generically like that since it's not "one" but many and the whole thing is to know /be able to choose the right one
asciilifeform: there's this 'anticipatory twitch' most folx start with
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you like to shoot ? recall when noob, and had to learn not to flinch from recoil ?
asciilifeform: pretty much all folx working in 'untypical' environ, must rely on instruments and specifically learn to ignore naive reflex ; not only pilots, but e.g. sea divers
asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
diana_coman: in other words, it's no surprise walkers on soil have in fact absolutely no instinct for flying quickly high up in the air;
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the set of reactions that killed ww1 pilots in spins are properly called 'instinct', they're reflexes which make sense when land creature e.g. slips on ice and moves to right itself
diana_coman: "first" -> noob above; "second" - training + experience
diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
snsabot: Logged on 2018-03-24 12:14:29 mircea_popescu: right. rather in fact like respiration -- everyone has it, and ALL THE TIME ; it takes al schwartz to blow rather than inhale when organometallic fireball's going on.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun see any disagreement -- the 'instinct' developed by trained pilot is very diff item from 'instinct' 'developed' by rube over years of being rube.
asciilifeform: ( naturally wont do anyffin for the historic timestamps, which are apparently rubbish )
asciilifeform: this is almost enuff to give asciilifeform itch to install rubidium clock at piz