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moiety: it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community.
benkay`: i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/.
benkay`: i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang
mircea_popescu: i hate the java machine bullcrap
mircea_popescu: tbh : i don't actually hate java,
benkay`: would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month
asciilifeform: i think i missed something earlier
benkay`: look at me, i got involved with bitcoin
benkay`: i'm an idiot though
benkay`: whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited
benkay`: just out of manners i think i keep walking
mircea_popescu: cause i deeply care about everyone ?
benkay`: mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes
ninjashogun: I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now.
mircea_popescu: i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. probably.
ninjashogun: I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others.
mircea_popescu: i don't hate them as a brazilian either.
ninjashogun: just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those)
mircea_popescu: i do.
ninjashogun: I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian)
ninjashogun: well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'.
ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
ninjashogun: I haven't finished reading it, no.
mircea_popescu: i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article
ninjashogun: It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.
ninjashogun: yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this!
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.
mircea_popescu: i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him.
ninjashogun: Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting.
ninjashogun: For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do.
ninjashogun: benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets.
asciilifeform: i get it
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation.
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.
ninjashogun: mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever read it
asciilifeform: if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories
asciilifeform: PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies?
asciilifeform: PARRY: I went to the races.
asciilifeform: to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other.
mircea_popescu: i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah
mircea_popescu: i dunno
moiety: (where i worked btw!!!!)
moiety: oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back
mircea_popescu: i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then
mircea_popescu: Namworld i don't have any
Namworld: I need to borrow auroracoins
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :)
ninjashogun: okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points...
asciilifeform: it is far older than i.
mircea_popescu: moiety it can possibly be done in javascript i suppose
moiety: i'll try this!
mircea_popescu: you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen.
moiety: no i haven't attempted it
ninjashogun: Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange
moiety: erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it.
moiety: mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book
mircea_popescu: i wonder what css is then
ninjashogun: sorry I don't know how to read "assbot"
moiety: mircea_popescu: badly, i'm learning
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation that you intend not to be public :)
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind?
mircea_popescu: and i guess moiety. she... hm. hey moiety do you code ?
mircea_popescu: i would say it's a safe bet that everyone but me
asciilifeform: yes, i saw the bit about the uncooperative graphics libs, etc. but who wrote the remainder?
asciilifeform: color me clueless, but i'm curious: who wrote eulora ?
mircea_popescu: i really have to learn to type with both hands
asciilifeform: actually i don't think anyone here is particularly fond of spammers and charlatans
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations that were just fine. It's true that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set the tone in here, that's your right.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, this does not match my impression of conversations off of this channel. You seem to be the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit that it is due to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me.
mircea_popescu: i guess itmust be a talent.
nubbins`: i'm not sure how best to express that nobody in this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for
ninjashogun: yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather than rely on real world contracts to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online trust model.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Well just this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I took and and the thing was resolved in minutes.
ninjashogun: nubbins` Okay I'll bite. For people with real-world assets and paperwork, what on Earth benefit does ANYONE here get out of a robust WoT system existing?
ninjashogun: I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC.
nubbins`: ninjashogun: don't worry about it, i was kidding anyway. go fuck yourself
ninjashogun: sorry, nubbins`, just read the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry.
nubbins`: http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/FF/CCB86F359BC0386F7CABB6137B4B.jpg
mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect there's actually a hidden barb in there. ie, superficially it seems there's too much money to give in,
nubbins`: i'd be able to take the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox
BingoBoingo: I've probably talked mean to him in the past
mircea_popescu: i wonder what roger ver pays for a list of losing bets
nubbins`: i like it
mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, i actually took the time to point out to him the previous beggar that ended up here drug in by the openbsd story
BingoBoingo: Want to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling. Three month term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you have to be incredibly fucking retarded to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye"
mircea_popescu: "Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun>guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl."
pLambert: I don't understand, why would you take a personal loan to finance your business instead of having your business get the loan it needs?
nubbins`: ninjashogun if you ident i can provide you with any size loan you need
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: for instance, if you were to reveal what the hardware is, i might take pity and tell you how to obtain an equivalent for 17 instead of 17k usd.
ninjashogun: which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see.
asciilifeform: i'm genuinely curious what this fellow intends to do with the money