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shinohai: I didn't have a prior copy of
thestringpuller 's key in
that instance.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger understand, it makes 0 difference
that you "exist" in
the sense of, have a
tight relationship with your gf. existence is solipsistic, you exist
to X once X bothers
to get your key.
mircea_popescu: 1st seems more like spot check and 2nd i'm not sure
the
two did have a prior relationship
Framedragger: (i guess WoT
trust had been simply deferred
to deedbot until
those points in
time, etc)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 20:31 shinohai: !!key
thestringpuller
phf: i
think key reliance here is very much ~wot~ very similar
to how otc used
to operate. i.e. if
there's no identity outside of key,
then key-identity-trust are all
tied
together. nobody sends anybody sensitive command/control/comm without knowing
them first. i had a version of asciilifeform's key for years, and my knowledge of asciilifeform was build on multiple verifications of asciikey-asciilifeform-rating entity
Framedragger: (this whole "request key before i encipher" seems weird
to me at any rate. store
the keys, have some out-of-band way of verifying
them, and use
them when needed. but i understand
that
the current mechanism is useful, and iirc i must have used it myself, even)
mircea_popescu: then
the whole
thing was badly designed and whoever deserves
to lose.
mircea_popescu: see, allowing a well
tailored pyramid of risk eating is not bad. it's good.
Framedragger: hmh. i guess it counts as "key verification"
then. hm
mircea_popescu: the reason is
that large scale crime syndicates don't...
think bars important enough ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what happens when you go
to a bar and order a drink is
that
the bartender pours you a drink.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: but what oftentimes ends up happening when you request key from deedbot is
that
the requester
then promptly uses
that key
to encrypt $text, and ping recipient with a public url
to $text.
the fact
that
there's been no mitm, i
think, only shows
that
the lizards do not find
this place important enough (for better or worse, etc)
trinque: wouldn't be appropriate
to approach
that ad hoc
trinque: as far as
the lying wire is concerned,
that's solved by a different gadget
☟︎ Framedragger: oh, sure, i understand
that
the scheme as currently implemented *actually works* :p
mircea_popescu: "promisetronic" in
the sense of "not rippletronic/ethereumtronic/etc" is a good
thing.
Framedragger: hmm. i mean, sure, it just.. seems awfully promisetronic,
to peruse local lingo.
mircea_popescu: not only is it done, and done
tons, contrary
to his "never" : but it is eminently administrable and accountable, as i just proved.
Framedragger: and how
the hell do you know
that what
thing-calling-self-deedbot gave you over fleanode is
thing-you-requested?
mircea_popescu: seems
this is exactly defined as "get X's key from Y you
trust". observe :
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "using
the wot
to validate a public key".
trinque: point being
the "I am responsible for some" becomes meaningless because no one will ever be pinned down by
that.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 14:23 mircea_popescu: "I never ever ever successfully used
the WoT
to validate a public key." ie what we do here multiple
times a day ?
trinque: the signed curse would be stood by in court / at
the gallows, whereas something like "I am responsible for some of
this" is what,
the part
that killed my goat, or "always not
that part" ?
trinque: and
the -1 doesn't undermine
the opposability with "eh, I never actually read
this" and etc
mircea_popescu: diana_coman
that part, of "who", is kinda baked in
the design as it is, because of
the .seals
diana_coman: eacher of computer science, no matter how great/capable
that
teacher might be
diana_coman: fwiw I kept
trying
to digest asciilifeform's proposed categories, but I must confess I would still have
trouble deciding on one or another; basically my clear categories would really be binary: I'm USING
this or I WILL NOT USE
this;
the rest I would rather expect
to be sorted by competence meaning
that one who wants
to write a patch for eulora would better get a "I'm using
this" from someone involved with eulora, not from his
t BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
This is why electric code now includes puzzles like "arc fault" circuit breaker.
phf: i know a guy who lives in a shipping container (actually mutliple shipping containers welded
together) in
that area, but he built it himself, he works with steel and propane and is generally a competent person (he lives on his shop grounds). when i read
the story i
though maybe a warehouse rave caught on fire, but apparently
the idiots were living
there? it'll just make
the authorities
take a closer look at oakland warehouses and fuck
trinque: no, but it invites
them
to
the party
trinque: asciilifeform: suppose vectored sigs exist, and having provided a weasel route
through V, nobody ever actually swears
to an item in full.
phf: this happens
to squats all
the
time, but i don't
think
that
the fatalities are as high in civilized world, because people
tend
to understand what
they get into when
they squat. sucks, because it's likely
to make getting warehouses for legitimate use
trickier in
the future
shinohai: I had nearly all my stuff in claims until I found out
they vanish sporadically, so back
to Electron it all went.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you should prolly go
through your inventory and hold a garage sale / auction. prices changed a lot since a year ago
jurov had once amassed almost-significant amount of eulora stuff ... in a claim
that vanished :D
jurov: i doubt it, gave up on creating
tools long before
that
mircea_popescu: anyway. any
tool bps or stuff ? many
things went up a lot.
jurov: mircea_popescu: just looked into storage
to be sure, nope. but by
time screens came out, i got scared by amounts you(plural) invested into eulora and gave up on it
phf: ben_vulpes: if you were
to use bind everywhere you can use it (e.g. as a replacement for let, destructuring-bind) your code is going
to look sufficiently different
that it's not clear if you're even programming in common lisp at
that point. makes
the result less readable for other cl programmers, and code becomes harder
to future proof.
the
tradeoff is generally seen as not worth it (too intrusive for little payoff)
jurov: mircea_popescu: no and iirc i never used
them
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 02:33 ben_vulpes: does
the lispy lordship have opinions
to share about cl extension libs like "alexandria" and "metabang-bind"?
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-06#1578252 <<
the
two are different beasts. alexandria by design is a set of helper functions
that wouldn't be out of place in
the standard (complete with sometimes obtuse names!), some like with-gensyms doplist flatten iota if/when-let i've seen reimplemented all over
the place. bind is more of a everything and kitchen sink replacement for builtin operators
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 02:33 ben_vulpes: does
the lispy lordship have opinions
to share about cl extension libs like "alexandria" and "metabang-bind"?
mircea_popescu: aanyway.
the moral broadly speaking is
that
there's a windows-niggers-and-other-idiots python ("windows-niggers-and-other-idiots" which is how you decode "3" in unicode) and a normal people python which finally became stable cca 2010 and
thanks god.
mircea_popescu: gotta stop
the spread of "fake news" and other burgeois propaganda.
mircea_popescu: phf for
the obvious reason,
the horde of consumers want
to do what other people have done.
the idea is for
terrorists
to not be able
to communicate with upstanding, law abiding citizens, not
the other way around.
Framedragger: (the 79.98.25.168 pop is interesting
tho, as some of
these hosting-company-i-use boxen get provisioned with everything installed, and i'm sure as fuck
that "not all" customers regen ssh host keys. so
there may be more pops, or other interesting goodness. probably
the whole /16 is worthy of getting properly port-scanned, lots of broken stuff
there i'm sure - if anyone has
time etc)
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and
they always package "sid" (ie, devel) as opposed
to stable
mircea_popescu: anyway. 10.04/10.10/11.04 are squeeze ;
the rest up
to 14.04 wheezy and
then jessie.
phf: Framedragger: fwiw
the logs have properly reffed
the original link, no need for a second one
mircea_popescu: (they "commit
to security updates within 9 months". fancy
that wonder.)
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting
to read
the log.
phf: why does he go
through song and dance of "officially" abandoning his key, if he has by own admission no counterparties?
Framedragger: right, right. and also
the whole "incompetence ~= malice"
thing.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger guess what,
toddlers drinking bleach die just like adults do.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess all
this gives a very interesting answer
to
the "how does
tmsr gpd compare
to fiat states gdp". apparently
they produce 2 gpgrams/year/capita, and consist of what, 1k of
the herbivores ? meanwhile ben_vulpes 's
thing deals in what, dozens/day ?
mircea_popescu: that's kinda what
they do, whenever something moves without hitler
they
try
to barnacle on it.
mircea_popescu: notice how he glued himself
to heartbleed (which, unlike
the normal hanno bockian crap, was a surprise
to
the empire).
mircea_popescu: hurr durr,
they were doing pgp subversion research and picked his hanno bock
to publish some results.