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mircea_popescu: anyway, we agree : hang in there.
mircea_popescu: r. it is STRICTLY because young people lived on the dole much more than old people ; and so believe more in dole. many of them for complete lack of any understanding whatsoever that "milk doesn't come from supermarket" and equivalent.
mircea_popescu: "Most people in the world are good, and want to be good to each other. Whether they vote that way or not, far more Americans believe in progressive, liberal, inclusive views than regressive, aggressive, conservative ones. Young people know this better than anyone, because young people are overwhelmingly liberal, even more than older people. That’s not because you’re inexperienced — it’s because you’re right." << hur
mircea_popescu: leftards always go in general about bahamas. name the fucking item he did right, ever. what was it.
mircea_popescu: "but we did fix most of it" AHAHAHAHAHA omfg. name ONE THING mulatto-in-chief fixed. i wish to hear this wonder, the one item.
asciilifeform: hey that doesn't differ so much from rest of the shitware industry now does it.
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect the entire business model is "get archive.is for pay because you don't google too well".
mircea_popescu: that said, he does have stroing support in the sprawling i-wanna-be-a-writer collective, which may actually contain 10k who can part with $10 a year (if not the same 10k each year, still) ; and if he keeps a tight lid on costs it may well work.
mircea_popescu: such is the rule at say alphabet ; microsoft ; etcetera.
mircea_popescu: heck, if they LOSE money slower than the whole shebang loses money the people involved tend to be promoted
mircea_popescu: note that a) facebook doesn't have 11k paying subscribers ; and that yahoo sacked delicious. it's rare dying things like yahoo terminate items that make money.
mircea_popescu: something like that.
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/12/08/the-impossible-chances/ << Ossasepia - The Impossible Chances
mircea_popescu: (basically delicious re-done, and we all recall how that went. or no wait, was it magnolia ? right it was magnolia. anyway.)
mircea_popescu: summary : "guy with no business model and no investors running some pointless web shit claims to make 10k a month from it somehow"
phf: actually promisetronic to the max, since you don't even have to surrender the photo. something about the Polaroid part implies that you're not live streaming it to pornhub
phf: well, sell polaroid-with-seeeekrit-digicam destroy that whole segment
mircea_popescu: the argument is not without some merit, legions of 1960s aspie hos were flattered by the "unique, just like you" gate to pornography.
phf: asciilifeform: they are popular at dodgy events, because "only copy"
asciilifeform: rather like the usb vinyl-record players etc.
asciilifeform: possibly whole thing is a 'nostalgia' play
asciilifeform: http://www.polaroid.com/products/onestep-600-instant-camera << holy fuq i had nfi these were still made. i have only ever seen'em at junk shops
asciilifeform: https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/tom-petters-case-summary << somehow i slept through this
mircea_popescu: "In 2003, massive cabals of Enviro-whiners are suing petroleum companies for contaminating the global environment with methyl tert-butyl ether. MTBE was the "oxygenate" for which Enviro-whiners massively sued petroleum companies, demanding it be added to gasoline. MTBE is an EPA priority carcinogen. Enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly." << quite exactly how the bullshit works, and worked, in all parts.
mircea_popescu: i'm happy to report the auto-archiver works!
asciilifeform: (they, funnily, are all on the man's www, but not indexed, every time i grep the local copy and look for same filename on his www, it's there...)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this mazepath is grand
mircea_popescu: "burning man" suddenly a lot more psychanalizable than one'd care to.
mircea_popescu: this isn't one of those west coast things that'll burn down in a final, desperate attempt of the participants to make the evening news, is it ?
asciilifeform: wai am i looking at this-here set of nobodies instead of that-there
mircea_popescu: i was about to ask what am i looking at.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: who's that
mircea_popescu: hola trinque
mircea_popescu: i have no interest in the misguided speculations of reddit as such, they're not a demographic as much as a random number machine.
asciilifeform: or how about the folx who bought into btc just in time to get nailed by mtgox
mircea_popescu: the discussion here was from the get-go limited to "engineering" "intellectual" "bright minds".
asciilifeform: sooo the various 'omfg i lost my car and house' ethertards etc were confabulating ?
mircea_popescu: unthreateningly, "coupla bucks, who knows" is the exact name of the demon.
mircea_popescu: because... let this sink in, ~~~BECAUSE~~~ the alt-turds offered a ready, indefeasible excuse to NOT seriously invest, to the degree of starving the children.
asciilifeform: same reason why the bitcoinists bought $2/btc ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same folx happily blew their money on $2 (etc) alt-turds
mircea_popescu: quoth the woman "my children are dying!" quoth the man "good, you'll make others."
mircea_popescu: but they also don't perceive any burning need to spend all their money on $2 btc.
mircea_popescu: now, that they let the mountains be could be excused,
asciilifeform: 'We don't do that anymore. Any of it.' (uncle al, of course. http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gasoline.htm )
mircea_popescu: "gotta get along", "will take a picture of me in front of this strangely pineapple-shaped mountain" etc.
mircea_popescu: none of that last century "by god i will dig this mountain up and reshape it as a pineapple" piss and vinegar feelin' left.
mircea_popescu: i did say any~thing~. they're ecologists, they just want to imagology.
asciilifeform: from my perch it looks opposite, they are busy round the clock raping one another
mircea_popescu: what sort of idle knowledge this is and whom it serves we shall not discuss ; but it does make them inept for life.
mircea_popescu: the problem with smart kids who have the misfortune to be born to english speaking whores is that they're taught to not want to rape anything.
asciilifeform: but i also see no reason to think that the mega-wealthy folk publicly advertised their stashes
asciilifeform: quite truly i have nfi what precisely happened before i tuned in ( and even during; the record is not so great )
mircea_popescu: same repeats for all the various bright minds in their own / reddit's estimation.
asciilifeform: (' i have 10,000,001 unpilferable cryptotronic magic coin; what to do now? I KNOW! i'll trade'em all in for PROMISES and HOLOGRAPHICALLY SEALED TURDS ')
mircea_popescu: wasn't the prb devteam announcing dismal holdings last they talked about it ?
asciilifeform: you mean the avaricious idiots who insisted on 'investing' in imaginaries ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ~none of the early bright minds are rich now.
asciilifeform: 'I wrote this email recommending bitcoins to Dmitry on June 18th, 2011, I hope he is rich now, since Bitcoins are up 4000% since then...' << a particle of lultronium from the comments
mircea_popescu: not so. what if i happen to be running the first and you end up my main bitch ?
asciilifeform: the fitness value of getting into the first black van that offers the proverbial candy -- is computable.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing that'd keep them from coming here and giving away the nuclear button to the l1. yes we'd butcher some daughters / most sons, but so what of it - some'd survive. even the cod knows this much, that the correct reaction is to throw the meat at the knife, rather than to try and protect it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he's wrong re "negative survival value". the fitness value (correct term) of bovine behaviour is uncomputable, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579116 ☝︎
asciilifeform: some of the people who recently lost money when MF Global stole it to cover some private bets it had made. They licked their wounds, complained bitterly, and then...went looking for another financial company—to be taken advantage of again. '
asciilifeform: re 'trust', oblig orlol, ' Trust is transactional: a person needs a reason to trust you, and you need a reason to trust that person. There is, however, such a quality as trustfulness: this is the property of small children, tame animals and, most unfortunately for them, many regular, salt-of-the-earth, mainstream Americans. It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse. It is being exhibited for all to see by
phf: can also use zhang-shasha "editing distance between trees" algo http://epubs.siam.org.sci-hub.io/doi/pdf/10.1137/0218082
mircea_popescu files the "mp again picked the right horse" and forgets "internet archive" even existed.
mircea_popescu: built on "trust", the non-crypto, anon version of trust.
asciilifeform: d perpetually accessible. It means preparing for a Web that may face greater restrictions. It means serving patrons when government surveillance may be on the rise. The Internet Archive is a non-profit library built on trust. Reader privacy is very important to us, so we don’t accept ads. We don’t collect your personal information. .... [snipped bs]'
asciilifeform: 'Dear Internet Archive Patrons, We need your help to make sure the Internet Archive lasts forever. On November 9, we woke up to a new administration promising radical change. This is a firm reminder that the Internet Archive must also design for change. So we set a new goal: to create a copy of our collections in the Internet Archive of Canada. This will cost millions. For us, it means keeping our cultural materials safe, private an
phf: ben_vulpes: that archive has like dozen of access points, half of them regularly disappearing, a project for a lisp aficionado would be to archive it before it disappears completely ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw if you are writing a differ, familiarize yourself with needleman-wunsch algo, most extant difftrons for some reason unknown to me do not use it
mircea_popescu: for instance, everyone thinks of theymos as "tardstalk owner", except that forum was made by sirius ; and was quite acceptable before it went to shit.
phf: but so that it's not just noise, here's one thing that i used as a jumping point, http://foldr.org/~michaelw/log/programming/lisp/diff-sexp there's also a cmu archive of differs, including a working common lisp diff implementation (with a different output though) http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/tools/src_cmp/0.html
mircea_popescu: most of the honest (as oposed to gavinous) people originally involved with the project went away quietly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand plox re the 'expired knowledge'
mircea_popescu: not so, according to knowledge that i guess may have expired meanwhile.
phf: mircea_popescu: i really hope i'm not preventing ben_vulpes from hacking, i have a few previous failed attempts at doing this though
asciilifeform: possibly wrote whole thing in one weekend, and with vodka
asciilifeform: neither i nor afaik anybody else knows what satoshi did prior to posting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in all fairness, i massaged 'v' quietly for quite some time before posting
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: all in due time
asciilifeform: i'd like to see.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 21:46 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579283 << ben_vulpes please consider posting the example of this you ran into ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 22:11 phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579309 << the amusing observation lying in wait is that the difference between satoshi-style design and tmsr-style design evidently is that in the case of the former a prototype is hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost all ulterior ideas are actual improvements ; wheres in the case of hte later a prototype is similarly hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost a ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity the thelema doods didn't put a card spade inside their figure, it'd have been a great gypsy-like icon
asciilifeform: phf: one problem is that all lisps running on x86 have 'heathen' state
asciilifeform: 'Crowley Thelemic License Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the License.'
phf: asciilifeform: i've seen people diff sexps for producing semi-automatic patches of live system. so like if you want to replicate the image code state across machines, can rig up some not-for-reading dumper
asciilifeform: it was a trololol.
mircea_popescu: no but their fathers did.
asciilifeform: http://copyfree.org/content/standard/licenses/ctl/license.txt << full, apparently, text.
mircea_popescu: rather than being chased into... intellectual pursuits.
mircea_popescu: society would be better served if buttslappers stuck to slapping butts
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: diffing sexprs is an attractive idea for other purposes but it still gotta ~work~ with your lisp (and all conceivable readermacroizations thereof, which is harder)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103&cpage=1#comment-3946 so we click on the "recommendation", find a 404. ty so much for recommending expiring licenses.
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info ☟︎
asciilifeform: i was about to phrase it as 'output of v transformation must always remain obvious to kindergartener' but mircea_popescu has it.