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mircea_popescu: this is also true.
mircea_popescu: exactly. so no, the svg lines aren't garbage - on the contrary, unlike netlist, interesting.
asciilifeform: well theoretically you can make the schem from the netlist. but doing so usefully is np-complete
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no! they aren't garbage, as you sdaid yourself - nobody would want to see the netlist, because they'd want to see the "unofficial" LINES.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which of the two thises are you inquiring about ?
asciilifeform: svg lines are garbage though
mircea_popescu: a svg also "can not be longer than the total line count"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but irrespective, it's for the same ~reason~.
asciilifeform: and it has no stinking 10-digit (or any other) pixel coords (wtf), line thicknesses, fonts, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think, netlist is the essential 'soul' of schematic, definitionally such that if you change ONE character, you get a ~different~ (and , likely, broken) device.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 13:38 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it that those supposedly ubervaluable engineers that don't exist anywhere else and can't be replicated (as per microsoft idiot) nevertheless DO NOT COMPREHEND the difference between the present conditional and the pluperfect conditional.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581987 << where was this ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: in our case, it is shorter than the pld src
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 13:10 mircea_popescu: also the reason your handmade netlist is not usable is ~same svg is not usable : too long.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581961 << this is pointedly not so, think about it for a minute, a netlist cannot be longer than the active pincount ! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em. they want to get into engineering school, first they acquire literacy in their mother tongue what the everliving fuck might this have had being!
Framedragger: it's too much to handle, i tell u
Framedragger has a guess that many 'native speaker' derps can get confuzzled when encountering future perfect ("will have hacked")
mircea_popescu: then they choose to write in brainfuck and everybody goes "oh, brainfuck, modern language" rather than "oh, these idiots can't even speak english."
mircea_popescu: it may be, it might have been, whatever the fuck, same thing.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it that those supposedly ubervaluable engineers that don't exist anywhere else and can't be replicated (as per microsoft idiot) nevertheless DO NOT COMPREHEND the difference between the present conditional and the pluperfect conditional. ☟︎
Framedragger: yeah, would be great to have ssl certs etc all in the same place, timestamped, so one could track history, to an extent. (and then be able to offer realtime scans and alerts as a service, say...)
mircea_popescu: anyway. nabt = not a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: lol /me googles "nabt", first result ? national association of biology teachers (this site may be hacked).
mircea_popescu: this is becoming quite the autonomous "net awareness" item.
Framedragger: i guess the scanned banners could go into a separate "scans" table with timestamps / scan event numbers, so that one could JOIN and check multiple banners for ip, especially when i plan to later re-scan everything again, etc.
Framedragger: the later "rescan" only added previously-unseen IPs, + new IPs. same ip was never scanned twice, assuming it already spat out a banner and pubkey the first time.
mircea_popescu: ah. because boxes with the various "autoupdate" things mya do that.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: nono - sorry for confusing - "older" as in "previously seen in same logfile", it's for my internal use so i don't go insane. all of this is from single scan even in 13-14 june.
Framedragger: imma dump all this in a nice format now, i'll separate OS string from ssh versionstring i guess
Framedragger: btw i'm going thru those ssh banners from ssh scan logs finally, and there's some inconsistent crap there (thanks openssh): same ip&port may respond with two different banners during same scan (the ssh-keyscan utility may spit banners for same server multiple times). it seems usually the mismatch is in adding a minor version onto ssh server string only (e.g. [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.8] vs. older [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.8p2])
Framedragger: (thanks for the heads up)
Framedragger: 'tis what i figured :) my christmasy spirit will not be diminished, tho!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger unlike to make it before jan tho. sorry bout that.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, it was simple when i made it" "yes, if i define three letter strings as various pieces of literature, i'll be able to "write" whole books by saying agafufu. so what of it."
mircea_popescu: they're the same length however, and for the same reason : item too complex.
mircea_popescu: also the reason your handmade netlist is not usable is ~same svg is not usable : too long. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581948 << dude what ? link me where you tried it wouldja, i recall it working fine when eg gpg source. ☝︎
Framedragger: shinohai: s/Palyrma/Palmyra/ (1st sentence) :) (also not sure if you wanted Months to be capitalised but maybe stylistic pref)
BingoBoingo suggests relaxing session of whittling with a sawzall to clear mind, shame microfiche can't be clearsigned.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:46 phf: fwiw that solution works reasonably with btcbase (right now it's not used, but it picks up a README from each patches folder and cats it inline before the graph, so i can add a "here's all the additional stuff that you might need for this v tree")
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581929 << http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot not to make more work for you, but the smooshing of ircbot and logbot apparently hosed your pre-graph catment ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i considered making, by hand, a v-able netlist, with component values etc. , in sexpr format, for a nonexistent tmsr cad. the real problem is that everyone, without exception and including myself, will insist on viewing the 'unofficial' pictoral schematic.
asciilifeform: sorta what i tried earlier today...
mircea_popescu: i fear the only way forward is for data to be base64'd, deedbotted, and then referenced as such in code.
mircea_popescu: "oh, THIS leaf doesn't go with THAT datapile! gotta use THAT' datapile! except if you feed THAT' datapile to THIS' leaf it comes alive at night and fucks your wife!"
mircea_popescu: including data with the code is a nightmare not least because it puts state into things
asciilifeform: ftr i still have thought of no satisfactory solution.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:49 phf: you verify vpatch using its sig, you verify additional assets using their sig. you can't verify that the set is exhaustive though
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581931 << exactly this! ☝︎
phf: it didn't but even mp-wp has a bunch of admin interface images. magnifying glass, scissors, that sort of stuff
mircea_popescu: yeah ; mp-wp had no themes did it.
phf: fwiw it's the same with wordpress
mircea_popescu: (i've been running into a version fo this in eulora too ; with the art assets)
mircea_popescu: bundling data with code is a serious problem ; the v model brings it in a very sharp focus
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C68477E648E056039DA3F49F5CAF6C7F86A2F6DEA52688B3A2974D1A8F8FCEB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.16.17 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.16.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/484822910CDA12E35E6F4186FAC9CEC226A489C3AFE0B9136AD9B2F5373FD65A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.4.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.4.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
mircea_popescu: aqnd all sorts of things
phf: you verify vpatch using its sig, you verify additional assets using their sig. you can't verify that the set is exhaustive though ☟︎
phf: fwiw that solution works reasonably with btcbase (right now it's not used, but it picks up a README from each patches folder and cats it inline before the graph, so i can add a "here's all the additional stuff that you might need for this v tree") ☟︎
mod6: I support no such futher complixity in V/vdiff to deal with these blobs. No one-offisms, etc.
mod6: That said, I'm not positive what is a favorable solution to this. For me, I guess I would have considered a disjointed genesis. All code in a genesis.vpatch, plus a comment in the code or README.txt file that points to a clearsigned, base64 encoded deed of the (repeatably extractabale) binary (image in this case).
mod6: All in all, I agree that blobs do not belong in a vpatch. As stated, they are for readable, grokable, text only.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39DF9D425039282DC6DD48D8107CDC48D35C1D374D5B0BACFBBA032EBEB9A8D1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1350...3569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.32.145 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.32.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US CA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF377674893AE5B24A2C05E8CEA017E2B825916DC2B1288D65229198BF0B7D6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1368...9973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.253.102.107 (ssh-rsa key from 87.253.102.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host-107-102.253-87.enter.it. IT)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:58 phf: this is more like watching a millenarian speak on a subject of his avocation than anything else
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581907 << which is the very fucking point, of course. "all equal, all stupid, all vorvarts!" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:52 asciilifeform: he didn't release the raw slides ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581905 << apparently knuth is blisfully unaware the micros even exist. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: are you going to be making me models next ? :D :D :D
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:51 phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C68477E648E056039DA3F49F5CAF6C7F86A2F6DEA52688B3A2974D1A8F8FCEB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1017...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.16.17 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.16.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65E53AAD3C50368DCEDAB5E9AE49FF9F04FC13CC7B2AA14B00B60A6765883426 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1629...7809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.201.13.182 (ssh-rsa key from 109.201.13.182 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (int0.client.access.fanaptelecom.net. IR)
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, can't just have a text transcript ?
phf: this is more like watching a millenarian speak on a subject of his avocation than anything else ☟︎
phf: guy does hand written transparents mostly or whatever else he can put under an overhead projector
asciilifeform: he didn't release the raw slides ? ☟︎
phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far. ☟︎
phf: of course the only proper way of watching this video is using Google Cardboard! https://vr.google.com/cardboard/
asciilifeform: 'By using a computer mouse, or by tilting a smartphone or tablet, participants will be able to individually control the video angle and experience 360-degree viewing.'
asciilifeform: will taste GREAT with balanced diet of backs of heads etc
asciilifeform: now if only there were also a way to pump the unwashed student's armpit flavour into my office also !!
asciilifeform: '“This year, our Learning Innovation team is going to be piloting the use of a new virtual reality 360-degree video camera that will actually allow all those people tuning in over the internet to attend the lecture as if they were physically in the auditorium,”'
phf: in some usable format (short of installing google chrome of course) and so far "transcoding with a deskew shader" seems like the most viable option ???
phf: so stanford release knuth's annual lecture in a "360" video format, and the write up is disgusting "stanford part of the future!!1". basically you get a 7gib video/80mib audio stream, a fraction of which is a distorted slides and knuth, where's the bulk of which is audience and static ceiling. the thing doesn't render on anything but google stack and ipads. i spent about two days jumping through various hoops trying to get it to render
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F24AA9CF11A01F8E3F25C060D49840FB4E0D7D78FF146A3024B3BFEE92EC85BB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...1257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.41.78.163 (ssh-rsa key from 213.41.78.163 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (radius-front2.fr.colt.net. GB)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39DF9D425039282DC6DD48D8107CDC48D35C1D374D5B0BACFBBA032EBEB9A8D1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1560...3563 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.32.145 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.32.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US CA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF377674893AE5B24A2C05E8CEA017E2B825916DC2B1288D65229198BF0B7D6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1893...6201 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.253.102.107 (ssh-rsa key from 87.253.102.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host-107-102.253-87.enter.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65E53AAD3C50368DCEDAB5E9AE49FF9F04FC13CC7B2AA14B00B60A6765883426 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1733...6777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.201.13.182 (ssh-rsa key from 109.201.13.182 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (int0.client.access.fanaptelecom.net. IR)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/P5yRd/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: to justify why there's no legal recourse for bad software - and guess what, it stands just as well to explain why it is better to murder and rape than to microsoft.
mircea_popescu: ~maybe~ the girl really like it ; and ~maybe~ the dude had it coming to him. but ~certainly~ there is no room for windows & co in this world. the advantage of software, it allows definitive statements to be made like that (an inverse of the problem of liability, wherein hardware lock making company CAN replace any broken locks it shipped, but software lock making company can't because they're all the same lock.) this was used
mircea_popescu: because well... he is. and if you take the ethical stand that you don't want to be paid by rapists and murderers, then microsoft tops the list in any reasonable interpretation and that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care, myself, but i can't seem to bring any argument that'd stand when someone decides "fuck him, he's a microsoft tool".
Framedragger: i guess it's legitimate to bitch about that. i've never been sure. but i did poke at an acquaintance who had plans of working at gchq. to be consistent, i should.. be consistent.
mircea_popescu: microsoft money, that's unspendable.
mircea_popescu: so in short : no, it's not ok to take microsoft money. human trafficking money, the proceeds of sales of endangered baby panda tears, the ransom paid for the return of obama's kidnapped daughters, all that is a-ok.
mircea_popescu: im sure koch got >1k and IM FUCKING SURE microsoft is worse than any "anti-gay-marriage racists" out there.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, do you also bitch at people who bitch at, eg, mozilla guy who happens to have invented the shit mozilla runs being "bad" because he donated 1k to whoever ?