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mircea_popescu: dun see why you'd want a positive rating from that mind anywya

mircea_popescu: if someone wants to negrate you because legacy pile was bad, hey, all the better.

asciilifeform: (for any purpose other than 'i found on my disk in 2011, i swear')

asciilifeform: you would have to be a lunatic to sign, e.g., python, bash.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually how i ended up puzzling over 'vectorized sigs' and other, even less promising leads -- proper, honest-to-goodness signature is a 'heavy' instrument

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a vtronic 'gentoo' is trivially possible except that nobody's going to sign GB of crapola.

phf: asciilifeform: did you miss the insides of parenthesis?

asciilifeform: phf: how is a binary turdolade installer comparable with portage?!

phf: even dpkg/apt would be better than portage (note that dpkg and apt lets you build packages from source in a reliable and automatic way, but the setup for the process is not documented anywhere, since it's supposed to be "package maintainer technology")"

asciilifeform: when the 'coolies' who kept the thing from falling apart under own weight, pack and leave -- it collapses.

asciilifeform: when such a thing appears to work, it is because it is running on human fat

trinque: it's a mountain of hacks under the hood

trinque: asciilifeform: I moved portage over to openbsd (which had been done once before by another) only to decide the thing had gotten far too complicated.

trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, when I run my gentoo recipe, it's usually musl unless I actually need the glibc turd for something

asciilifeform: both scripting langs are turdalicious, heavy, and ill-defined. i will point out that 8-bit rom basics were seldom >4kB (e.g., 6502, z80 )

mircea_popescu: might bring the same arguments against bash ffs.

mircea_popescu: eh python 2.x isn't the end of the world.

asciilifeform: (though imho a fully depythonized one would be more interesting; but it would be sufficiently different animal to deserve a new name)

asciilifeform: iirc there exists a musltronic python. so a musltronic gentoo is afaik in principle possible.

trinque: danielpbarron: I've got like five versions of that genbootstrap thing; what are you trying to accomplish ?

mircea_popescu: whart, they gonna keep her in embalming fluid till 2024 ?

thestringpuller trying to resell yeezy's via bots.

thestringpuller: Kanye singlehandedly unleashed high frequency trading onto the sneaker world en masse.

trinque: after a very serious meeting with Trump he apparently chose to move his very serious run back from 2020.

trinque: kanye just gotta get his retweets from black twitter and #2024

trinque: how's that cultural revolution coming along?

thestringpuller: ^- meh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHc not the best example cause he works on engines like ratchet and clank

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, piece now more accurately reflects org chart

mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck that traci lorde did is exactly right for them.

mircea_popescu: and honestly, there;'s absolutely no need for the orc hordes to touch shakespeare.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tecvhnically it's alphabet's

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/996F92C7319824CEFEB0D66EF1EFB5E5873B537266320EC2AFBB4C33C6534942 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1512...8879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.98.38.26 (ssh-rsa key from 5.98.38.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host26-38-static.98-5-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)

phf: oh man, upenn, et tu, brute!

asciilifeform: 'The work by Wuille and others on the SegWit proposal, which moved from testing to launch over the course of 2016, has set the stage for what will likely be bitcoin’s critical development arc in 2017. For Wuille and all the other bitcoin developers in the world, 2017 is on course for a defining year.' << lel

BingoBoingo: In similar news, Christmas Shopping for the frugal: Buy a Christmas Tree. Have the bottom limbs stripped off and cut it in half so the top becomes a small tree. Slice the now detached bottom log into disks. Score the bark on the disks with a knife. You now have a tree and tree scented disks to give as presents.

BingoBoingo: Anyways this is a serious Coindesk problem. People ask about doing things, decide to not do them instead doing the Silbert fiatola thing, and then make Coindesk list because it is all silbert stuff nao.

BingoBoingo: That one girl who came in with generic "bitcoingirl" nick or something like that and left. I think early 2014-ish

mircea_popescu: how quickly we forget the very reason we even have to call it "blockchain" rather than pretend it's bitcoin. tsk tsk.

shinohai: CoinDesk's Most influential "People" in blockchain .... #2 Butterin .... #1 The DAO hacker lmao http://archive.is/kSuld

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/996F92C7319824CEFEB0D66EF1EFB5E5873B537266320EC2AFBB4C33C6534942 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1702...5683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.98.38.26 (ssh-rsa key from 5.98.38.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host26-38-static.98-5-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)

a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:44 asciilifeform: or (at the risk of sounding like complete idiot, because i did not play it) alchemy in eulora, it works there, but meatspace 'alchemy' is considerably more expensive, painful, and rewards -- few and far between, and most practitioners live and die without accomplishing ~anything...

danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582850 << actually, eulora is a great imitation of life in this regard ☝︎

jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.

a111: Logged on 2015-08-15 22:32 trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh

danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque whoops, this : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-15#1239186 ☝︎

jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.

danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque can i still get this file somewhere?

asciilifeform: no need to even be a buffett, if asciilifeform were to move out of his street, 'rents would fall' there.

asciilifeform: 'rents falling' could simply mean that 2 or 3 buffetts moved out...

mircea_popescu: or maybe it's all part of the summoning of the great again. new york used to be the cheapest in the werld at some point.

mircea_popescu: i dunno, shooting in the dork here.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583068 << maybe the dear hearts an' gentle people of iowa&co finally figured out new york's really not worth the hassle ? and stopped moving there in hopes of becoming a magazine writer with a manhattan mansion just like that carrie bradshaw irl genuine real person ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 05:14 hanbot: ...nah. but totally, a derpy tourist pidgin would be just the thing to take off here.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583060 << it is, after all, how they ended up mispronouncing spanish. no, lluvia is not shuvia motherfuckers. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 05:06 hanbot: "i'm still getting used to my contact lentils", i said this.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583052 << that's nothing ; in romania she asked the clerk in the fish shop for a coupla sidewalks, because english trout seemed cognate to romanian trotuar and wtf is a "pastrav". that guy is probably STILL staring into the empty space. ☝︎

ben_vulpes: someone showed me a 'data point' that supported that hypothesis recently

BingoBoingo: lol, bipedal ones too

BingoBoingo: Nah, I have a hobby for that.

hanbot: do you want to?

BingoBoingo: Except I don't get to play with the food as much.

hanbot: anyway BingoBoingo a major lesson of the forum was that "nothing/nobody could be that fucking stupid" fails to pan out, and pretty much every time it's tested, too. i imagine scouting stories for qntra yields the same realization.

hanbot: ...nah. but totally, a derpy tourist pidgin would be just the thing to take off here. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: "oh, contact lentils, that's what they're called"

hanbot: oh no, i realized this on my own. when out grocery shopping.

ben_vulpes: how long did it take the arsholes to correct you?

hanbot: "i'm still getting used to my contact lentils", i said this. ☟︎

hanbot: speaking of which, i got contact lenses for the first time last week. talked to a few people here about them, then realized i'd been calling them "contact lentils" (lentejas de contacto vs lentes)

BingoBoingo: But the forum offer a flayground full of bodies to skin!

hanbot: couldn't've hurt. really though, there's nothing like travel and working for mp to give someone a pair of disdain and derision glasses.

BingoBoingo suspects it was the years in the forum slop helped to hone hanbot's craft

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9178835F46E18E120A90B7408D74FB435B55D42500C3B8AD1FE339402F41BF5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1574...0837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.82.156.20 (ssh-rsa key from 80.82.156.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CZ)

BingoBoingo: hanbot has a gift with the verbal venom

BingoBoingo: http://thewhet.net/2016/argentina-comicon-bonbon/ << This may be the literary piece of the year

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/mps-heroes-of-might-and-magic-vii-for-blood-and-honor-early-walkthrough-guide/ << Trilema - MP's Heroes of Might and Magic VII (For Blood and Honor) Early Walkthrough & Guide.

jhvh1: mod6: Time since last block: 37 minutes and 39 seconds

jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.

thestringpuller: !~later tell davout http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xPu3G/?raw=true

phf: well, definitely not moving to argentina

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9CA2F617FF1AE07F810319A1B5FA7482903D44720FB605C30F46B965933EDB7B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1033...0847 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.248 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC80FC1B2390AB3C5EA9393F79810BCB53F44349D3A18F84B64C942AF5A42CF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1033...0847 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.197 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.197 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9178835F46E18E120A90B7408D74FB435B55D42500C3B8AD1FE339402F41BF5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2749...0911 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.82.156.20 (ssh-rsa key from 80.82.156.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CZ)

a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:14 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2016/argentina-comicon-bonbon/ << The Whet - Argentina Comicon Bonbon.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582807 << ahaha hanbot quite! "dale, entonces somos todos artistas!" is just about buenos airtards in their heart of hearts. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582806 << he's right, at that. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582795 << you live in an alt world. i don't think ANY car in buenos aires EVER averaged 50/hr over a whole day of its entire its lifetime. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (to briefly revisit upstack, for log readers, 'prolog disease' is when a language is designed in such a way that in the course of normal operation, you routinely ask the machine questions which may well be np-hard to answer; and at any rate the correspondence between the algorithmic complexity of your proggy as-written and the resulting instruction stream physically as-executed, is something other than obvious)

a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:41 asciilifeform: four times more per what ? per km ??

phf: ru still uses pascal, at least at msucmc when i did evening math school kuryachiy taught everyone C, which i later learned was a kind of rebelling. dept proper uses pascal for all course material

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a 2 take of 1.

mircea_popescu: in wetware these are stress-switched (which is why "stress" even exists in mammals) ; but i don't expect hardware to be able to reconfigure my machine from one to the other - just as long as it does either well i can buy two machines.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: taken literally, the first can simply take the form of 'iswolf(...) { return 1 ; } ' !

mircea_popescu: this kind-of mirrors the two functions of brain discussed in neuroscience, the fuzzy and the sharp state

asciilifeform: i caught the tail end of the pascal era in american school.

mircea_popescu: as per the first, returning "nothing there" wrongly when i scan hill will result in wolf eating me; returning "wolf" when nothing there will just result in more checks, no biggy.

mircea_popescu: there's to my mind two different and unduly conjoined at the hip in practice meanings of "computer". ONE is "i need this tool to amplify my searching - false positives are not a concern, false negatives are very much a concern" ; but THE OTHER is "i need this machine to reliably do boring task for me - false positives are CATASTROPHIC, false negatives not so big a deal".

asciilifeform: (there is also pascal, but there exists , afaik, no reasonably cross-arch compiler today for it. and ada is a variation on the pascal theme anyway...)

asciilifeform: of the type-safe/bounds-safe languages, ada is the only one which fills this description.

asciilifeform: as someone who ~likes~ 'functional' languages, etc., i still must point out that it is a highly questionable business to use a language where there is not a simple, kindergarten correspondence b/w each line of the program and what the machine physically does, for safety-critical equipment.