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mircea_popescu: notice, of course, that a) it is the same exact height and therefore b) it is idiotically arrogant enough to imagine being so much bigger it can afford things such as... mandatory windows title bars.
mircea_popescu: so in random sadness : back when i was a kid, resolution of everything was 1024x768. today as i am no longer a kid, thanks to progress etc, resolution of things is 1366x768, which is OMG SO MUCH BIGGER.
shinohai: "A Yahoo rep disconnected the call when asked if their user database was powered by Ethereum"
shinohai: `Yahoo discloses hack that may affect "more than one billion user accounts", "likely distinct" from hack disclosed on Sept 22, 2016`
phf: "airgapped has joined irc channel" i might've just found your opsec issue right there..
mircea_popescu: 2nd most derpopulous of the blockvines eh ?
thestringpuller: it's interesting to see the crusty remains as the waterfall continues to dry out
thestringpuller: shinohai: Vitalik Buterin looks to be panicking about ETH price freefall. He's goin on about how "Internet of Money shouldn't cost 5 cents per transaction" on some stupid vine clone this morning
asciilifeform: ( it was from his tip that i found where they lived, and how to parse'em out )
asciilifeform: perhaps he got bored when he saw that phuctor didn't pop the amd keys...
asciilifeform: i have nfi , vanished off the earth afaik.
asciilifeform: i ensymbolified my sage disasms in ida using his symbol table, 100% eaten.
asciilifeform: ^ the d00d's work was 100% genuine, all of his leads checked out
a111: 2016-10-15 <kmalkki> apu1 also really needs DBREQn asserted to give access to USEHDT IR/DR pair
asciilifeform: speaking of this horror, whatever the hell happened to that finn
asciilifeform: (for n00bz/log readers -- x86, unlike any chip made by sane people, operates in no fewer than 3 selectable 'bitnesses', each having registers, instructions and entire address modes not present in the other 2)
asciilifeform: but otherwise works ok. beware of cache (can lead to incoherency between the instructions executed and what probe sees)
asciilifeform: early firmware versions barfed routinely when cpu switched modes, the last one - more rarely, but still did, it is also exacerbated by the braindamage of gdb
asciilifeform: trinque: there is one gnarly moment with those -- mode switches
trinque: it'll take me some time to have asm skills worth the mention
trinque: works just fine, have yet to write something interesting.
asciilifeform: because iirc i posted ~everything that is truly needed (other than a couple of undocumented commands, will deal with those some time later in january when 2nd crate is out)
asciilifeform: trinque: were you able to get your probe into battlefield condition, and used ? anything missing ?
trinque: as with fuckgoats -> cardano, sell every useful increment towards goal
mircea_popescu: not even c is faster than asm
asciilifeform: not only could it, but there's been a d00d serving up his www on a pic16f84, via slip, since 1990s... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if something like this could be made to spit out html via port 80 i'd almost consider moving trilema.
asciilifeform: sageprobe was a needle specifically made for this type of sow.
asciilifeform: maybe phf or trinque or whoever, has half of this, and now can more easily come up with other half.
asciilifeform: this is actually why i bothered to clean up and post the sageprobe thing earlier this year
asciilifeform: in terms of the pc 'sow', imho a very promising item could be a handmade scheme in asm that fits in l0 cache. the 'nic question' (discussed in earlier thread) could be finessed in some grotesque way, for instance, consider using SLIP !
danielpbarron: trinque, i'm interested in the hardened one, and possibly also "no multilib" ?
phf: seems like a very traditional thing to do though, sitting around talking about how everything went to shit since the ancestors went away
mircea_popescu: yes, it is. definitionally, pointing out that sow's ear makes for very poor silk when the decision to use something else is not on the table is called o-woe-ing.
asciilifeform: it is not 'woe' to point out that sow's ear makes for very poor silk.
mircea_popescu: can we set aside a day for the o-woe service and be done with it ?
asciilifeform: (even msdos is not fully understood today, and this despite the ~complete~ source leaking in 1998 !)
mircea_popescu: kinda why we want to limit to code.
asciilifeform: c machine has fundamental, very lethal problems, and i must admit to having come to believe that 'fixing' it is an alluring and ultimately very destructive waste of minds, like perpetuum mobile
phf: only for the lack of trying, but even now elsewhere i'd be a regular trb guru :p
asciilifeform: i'll point out that trb is ~190k tgz.
phf: 0.9.26 is 514k tbz2
asciilifeform: there is a linux variant of this very thing, and yes, like a dog
phf: asciilifeform: i think bsd people like to compile their stack with various "i wrote this c compiler in a weekend" projects, like tcc
trinque goes to drink
mircea_popescu: trinque fat chance of that.
trinque: at least people will not be doing things the same exact way, catch same exact diseases each time.
asciilifeform: now if the only usable c compiler weren't 100MB of ???????? !
trinque: leaving the sinful steps unspecified might be a decent strategy.
mircea_popescu: haha - eternal gentoo flame. "here's thins thing that you have to uci-compile"
phf: alternatively "here's this 40 lines of asm forth implementation, and the rules by which you can translate it to x8664 assembly, we will use it to bootstrap proto-scheme, that will be ..."
phf: "here's this thing that you have to cross-compile however you can"
asciilifeform: i'd like to hear, and so would ken thompson
phf: the bootstrap problem is not trivially solvable.
mircea_popescu: i'd love tyo think v gentoo is blob free
asciilifeform: the one 'blob' that is not removable is the bootstrap compiler
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i'm just talking about yesterday's thread. half those packages have binary blobs in them, some easily removable (like images that come with docs, etc.) some not so much (like internationalization PO files)
trinque: the stage1 tarball is a built gcc and whatever else is needed to rebuild itself entirely, then proceeds with that system to build the rest
mircea_popescu: i thought gentoo bootstraps
trinque: "how do I get the bootstrap compiler onto the thing" aside other binary blob needs
trinque: there isn't a way to insulate from it and still bother with the bum
trinque: if I decide to clean up a bum and put him to work, I am going to have to accept the risk that he burns my damn barn down.
phf: also requires general solution to binary problem
mircea_popescu: or more generally - any reclaimed codebase the republic intends to clean up and use.
asciilifeform: phf: thread was about hypothetical 'vtronic gentoo'
phf: oh i guess the idea is to v-ify all those packages..
phf: we already have a method, which is a list of sha512 signed with a corresponding disclaimer. can do the same for any complicated project, like gentoo "here's the stage3, here's sigs for all the packages that you might possibly install"
mircea_popescu: it's not as bad as it seems - eg fiat's mouthpiece can now put me as #1 most influential thingamabob in "blockchain" discreetely.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's algorithm will be used, there is afaik no alternative possible.
asciilifeform: i can think of no counter to this.
mircea_popescu: everyone already ~is~ that.
asciilifeform: i suppose 'everybody turns into a swarm of deliberately-maintained sybils' is one way to 'vectorize signature'...
asciilifeform: but their ~weight~ is not machine-calculable.
asciilifeform: signatures, by definition, are the most obvious thing in the world
mircea_popescu: this conceit that signatures are somehow confusable is very strange indeed.
asciilifeform: 'this proggy thermonuked my entire continent, fuck you' 'oops, you should have learned to read, notice, it was signed by drunk-asciilifeform not by asciilifeform'
mircea_popescu: comes with the territory.
asciilifeform: possibly it's the only solution, but i should like to think that it is not, it makes my stomach queasy.
asciilifeform: there is an unpleasant flavour of multiple personality disease, 'tulpa', to this, imho.
mircea_popescu: i say hey, this may be interesting ; or someone else does. the end.
mircea_popescu: i create a key, sign the whatever dump ; for all you know a new eulora player signed a gentoo legacy v root.
asciilifeform: ( and in what particular scenario does this work with 'and you never know'... this one's puzzling )
mircea_popescu: it's both agreed upon and discussed throughout the logs ; whenever v intended usage came up, this came up.
asciilifeform: is this to be an agreed-upon thing, or ad hoc.
asciilifeform: well mircea_popescu suggested a 'this is my key for signing legacy c bs'. how many of these does mircea_popescu personally intend to keep ? of what types ?
asciilifeform: if you thought ~that~ was horrid, consider 'now which key is this? asciilifeform 's 'i kinda maybe read this' key ? or his 'this is installed on my reactor' key ? or..'
asciilifeform: incidentally i did think of the 'multiple signing keys' thing, imho it is fairly obvious, but even worse than my vectorizer thing
mircea_popescu: "i have this here race track. people sometimes die on it. I WILL LOCK IT DOWN FOREVER!!!!" "what are you, some kind of idiot ?"
asciilifeform: asciilifeform: 'i have this here minefield' mircea_popescu: 'so clear it' asciilifeform : 'how' mircea_popescu : 'so, just walk on it' asciilifeform : 'i'd like to keep my legs' mircea_popescu : 'so'
asciilifeform: it was done to standard of 'runs', rather than 'guaranteed correct'
mircea_popescu: what, you want to have a flood and lose it permanently ?
mircea_popescu: so then the "necessary labour" is... already done.
asciilifeform: incidentally i realized that it is misleading to say 'i run gentoo.' because i probably could not recreate it other than from backups of own machines.
mircea_popescu: "oh, this foul gentoo with the foul python" "bitch, what do you run ?" "same. but i had expectations from you!"
mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK is in a position to contest anything ?
mircea_popescu: never you mind those considerations.
asciilifeform: the point is that the necessary labour to make such a signature carry any weight whatsoever does not exist.
mircea_popescu: "v gentoo would be possioble except for x" "so make x" "no because of co-consideration" " so make x' and disclaim the co-consideration" "what is the point of having x' if you disclaim the co-consideration???"
asciilifeform: what ~useful~ thing would such a signature tell to you ?
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as a signature's weight.