asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: because - elementarily - cost.

asciilifeform: i am swimming in 'solved problems' that i - in particular - cannot access the solutions to.

asciilifeform: i know full well that it's a solved problem.

asciilifeform: i will certainly ask for it...

asciilifeform: as things are now, i expect that it will be brought to my 'peine forte et dure.'

asciilifeform: as in, verify that all the parts actually function.

asciilifeform: there are perhaps 20 people on planet qualified to test this machine.

asciilifeform: bonded courier will test box at my house prior to shipment? lol

asciilifeform: this particular machine was, iirc, assembled from surviving parts of the DOAs.

asciilifeform: a serious museum curator - such as david s. - could finesse these issues, yes.

asciilifeform: also have to appreciate the hdd. if it croaks, an equivalent unit will not actually make the machine go. os can only be installed from tape. i own neither the tape deck nor the tape.

asciilifeform: the edges themselves. fiberglass pcb.

asciilifeform: if they snap - that's that

asciilifeform: fixable how?

asciilifeform: the multitude of card edge connectors, mainly, are, plus the ancient hdd

asciilifeform: those aren't the problem

asciilifeform: (most of the extant units are duds at this point)

asciilifeform: otherwise he can say 'scammer, shipped dud'

asciilifeform: plus the only way the buyer can be sure that it functions, is to power it on where it stands now.

asciilifeform: a 100kg ming vase.

asciilifeform: it would have to be packed and handled like a ming vase.

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ancient grandfather type

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: he loves being bothered.

asciilifeform: wtf did the otc go ?

asciilifeform: yes, still for sale

asciilifeform: write/telephone him.

asciilifeform: it's been a few years since i asked.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good question! answer: packing it in such a way as to guarantee safe shipping would be prohibitively expensive. the man i bought it from, david schmidt (last symbolics employee) refuses to ship his remaining stock, after a multitude of DOAs.

asciilifeform: Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#846475 ☝︎

asciilifeform: !s monsanto

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827711 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#800350 ☝︎

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: Adlai: not only, but it's for sale.

asciilifeform: !s 3620

asciilifeform: golden turd corp. - will build anything, yes.

asciilifeform: running like clockwork, 12 years later << so wat. i've a symbolics 3620 'running like clockwork' 28 years later.

asciilifeform prods barely-adequate lenovo

asciilifeform: today.

asciilifeform: who, exactly, sells 'boy' nice ?

asciilifeform: pyramid.

asciilifeform: ;;google mavrodi mmm

asciilifeform: !s mavrodi

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: afaik 'yahoo' was 'mmm' from day 1.

asciilifeform has a collection of apple gizmos for similar purposes

asciilifeform: ^ different thing here

asciilifeform: this generally ruins folks for life on the concept itself

asciilifeform: that is, a deliberately archaic variant that brings back all the dark age stereotypes (slow, no iteration constructs, poor i/o)

asciilifeform: the folks who attend uni, sometimes even worse than never hearing of it at all, learn 'LISP'

asciilifeform: no.

asciilifeform: who in his right mind would consider 'apple', for instance, if microshit did not exist

asciilifeform: no, power of the frying pan

asciilifeform only has one theory, 'good-cop-bad-cop symbiosis' with perl

asciilifeform still can't grasp how a programming system having 'global interpreter lock' became a beloved tool

asciilifeform: the ruby by yukihiro 'i half-learned common lisp, i confess' matsumoto ?

asciilifeform: the pitiful object systems that lack even basics like 'mixins' are not merely cockless, but armless, legless

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: dulap!!!

asciilifeform: that's like cockless man

asciilifeform: dafuq's the point of mopless clos

asciilifeform: *straightjacket

asciilifeform: oop as straightjacked (i.e. other than clos) - yes.

asciilifeform notices no dust. because uses.

asciilifeform blows dust off kiczales

asciilifeform: doesn't mean this 'nessie' isn't alive and well in some loch.

asciilifeform: or even showed symptoms of having so much as smelled the book gas in kiczales et al

asciilifeform: i've yet to meet a 'reinventor' of clos who actually understood all of clos

asciilifeform: blessing of suck <<<<<

asciilifeform: ^ as described there.

asciilifeform: ;;google art of metaobject protocol

asciilifeform knows of only one non-retarded object system, CLOS

asciilifeform: the crop of junk-oop systems of the 1990s will be tremendously expensive to future folks, who will avoid anything that smacks of 'objects' even when a particular apparatus actually wants to be represented in that shape

asciilifeform: haskell, ml, hindley-milner type systems.

asciilifeform: the 'we embezzled 40 years of grantola from usg to pretend our fourth-rate mathematics is relevant to computing' folks.

asciilifeform: it actually comes from the 'mathemasturbators'

asciilifeform: nah

asciilifeform: till it comes out yer ears.

asciilifeform: all the immutability you can handle.

asciilifeform: whenever someone says 'immutability', i wish i could replace his ram with antifuse rom.

asciilifeform: fuck immutability.

asciilifeform: 'when we'll eat long pig? when short pig is through'

asciilifeform: on symbolics box, no less. ran last at the clinton white house, of all places.

asciilifeform: Adlai: funny, because one of the first http stacks was john mallery's - in common lisp.

asciilifeform: ended up filling all the ancient stereotypes about 'slow'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, the funny part - it sorta did. graham and his 'arc' (which was actually a spray paint over, if i recall, mzscheme)

asciilifeform: 'skilled man can write fortran in any language'

asciilifeform: lol, firing squad

asciilifeform: (summary. aliens come, they have males, females, and ooloi. the latter run things and are really the only sentients. humans quickly discover that fucking in 3some with ooloi 'adapter' is the only really fun thing.)

asciilifeform: ;;google ooloi

asciilifeform: ooloi.

asciilifeform: 101

asciilifeform: OK

asciilifeform: shortwavecoin awaits.

asciilifeform dusts off telegraph key

asciilifeform: tidididahdahdah...

asciilifeform: - and --- forever.

asciilifeform: ssing vehicle.' ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3226037188416051@naggum.net.html )

asciilifeform: 'A character and its encoding are different concepts. An encoding and its (external) representation are different concepts. An external representation and the numeric values of whatever unit it is made up of are different concepts. By conflating all four concepts into one, Unix has held text processing and computing in general back several decades. This is fairly ironic, since Unix started out as a text proce