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asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: undata: what do they pay protection money with ?
asciilifeform: 'inventor must be wealthy' works about as well as 'computer ought to be a cow.' wouldntitbenice.
asciilifeform: incidentally, this doesn't always work. witness the mindless regurgitators who shine in every academic chumpatron.
asciilifeform: undata: there, the implicit part is 'go reverse engineer'
asciilifeform: just as looking at a set of weights doesn't grow muscle.
asciilifeform: explicit doesn't work for teaching.
asciilifeform: 'a hedgehog marches in the fog, with a rifle.' 'not funny at all, but at least it's a tale about war!'
asciilifeform: much shorter soviet version:
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: undata: glorious leader given the power... tends to turn it into a masturbation implement << straight to aristotle's 'politics' on what the pill here is.
asciilifeform: me.
asciilifeform: es.
asciilifeform: asking inventors to always 'independently wealthy' is like asking your computer to harvest all of its energy (and material to create additional parts) from the environment on its own accord. a 'would be nice' scenario, but there are good reasons why it is not practical. machines that can do this exist, they are called animals, and generally have their own problems that prompt people to invent less-general machin
asciilifeform: ars longa.
asciilifeform: not everybody even bothers to tell anyone.
asciilifeform: i (and quite a few other folks) have a collection of own 'lilienfeld's transistors'
asciilifeform: example: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506252 ☝︎
asciilifeform: !s coffin liner
asciilifeform: undata: just one specific example where devil is in the details.
asciilifeform: undata: 'knew' -> 'done' is not automatic.
asciilifeform: undata: otto lilienfeld has a transistor in the '20s.
asciilifeform: (in fact, specifically implied that it took place on a planet with slightly less retarded inhabitants than this one)
asciilifeform: it was a fictional story, however, not an engineering recipe.
asciilifeform: stephenson's tale provided one answer.
asciilifeform: what does it take to keep the flies off.
asciilifeform: and can the meat go into the man's mouth before being caked with flies?
asciilifeform: and can this come out of some reasonably-sane mechanism
asciilifeform: what does it actually take, in terms of resources, to keep a mathematician going?
asciilifeform: let's try a physical approach.
asciilifeform: ^ catastrophically-badly specified engineering problem
asciilifeform: ('El coronel no tiene quien le escriba.')
asciilifeform: 'El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.'
asciilifeform: chetty: hero - straight to sword. what should mathematicians eat ?
asciilifeform: the machine is actually structured very well to avoid creating conscious malcontents. they happen anyway.
asciilifeform met quite a few genuine thinkers, leaves of living matter in the great garbage disposal of u.s. academia. folks who spend 90+% of their time on 'grantmanship' while fully aware of the idiocy of the entire structure. but had no escape ticket.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform wasn't bottle-buddies with kepler, cannot attest as to the degree of enthusiasm with which he sucked the cock
asciilifeform: it is also worth thinking about what kind of cocks folks we regard as 'genuine article' had to suck, in their times, to stay fed. e.g., kepler's tours of duty as court astrologer.
asciilifeform: jurov: the (very fragile!) mechanism at work here is the process whereby the 'flies were separated from the cutlets'
asciilifeform: jurov: that was the thought here
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: no one wakes up and thinks 'today i will finance some pseudoscience.'
asciilifeform: whence and whether this goes - cannot say
asciilifeform: i've spent most of a decade trying to extract some nugget of living matter from 'computer science'
asciilifeform: extraction of astronomy from astrology - ditto.
asciilifeform: the one inescapable fact about extraction of chemistry from thousand years of alchemy is that - it is done by chemists, rather than alchemists.
asciilifeform: adlai: 'xxxxx studies'
asciilifeform: ^replied
asciilifeform: ^replied
asciilifeform: 'In most (though not all) cases, all a designer must do in order to implement an unfeature is to refrain from tying the user’s hands in a particular way.' - yours truly
asciilifeform: ('lisp' as properly defined is not a programming language, but merely a catalogue of avoided mistakes in the construction of a programming language. see: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 )
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/#comment-109451
asciilifeform: pidgin - yes
asciilifeform: ;;google once there was the people terror gave it birth
asciilifeform: (not the literal qwerty, but the 'platonic' qwerty seen as the overall human failing where folks agree on buggy shit and then cement it in place through 'sunk cost')
asciilifeform: qwerty.
asciilifeform hands new gas mask canister to mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: english, for one
asciilifeform: quite like how rhyming is only a serious feat in badly broken human langs
asciilifeform does not regard quines as particularly interesting, because they are only a real challenge in retarded programming systems
asciilifeform: for strict quinitude - yes, only possible output
asciilifeform: x fails << еггог - 'fails' takes $argument
asciilifeform: like trying to scoop out the sea with a tea cup.
asciilifeform: don't argue with shannonizer. it never gets tired.
asciilifeform: ^ vendor claims worldwide
asciilifeform: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13186 (kudos to diametric) - too good to be true ?
asciilifeform: adlai: 't'
asciilifeform: next mircea_popescu will ask for it to be a quine.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: which code
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must go through many gas mask filters.
asciilifeform: еггог
asciilifeform: ^ error. not found in universe bubble.
asciilifeform: !s sandra brown
asciilifeform: about as related as cats and sprats
asciilifeform: not confuse 'anthem' (rand) with 'anathem' (stephenson)
asciilifeform: pet sayeth: 'best one i ever read!'
asciilifeform: ('atlas.' once you know this, it bricks you in the face.)
asciilifeform: it's a perfectly serviceable women's pulp romance.
asciilifeform: (linked earlier) feynman did some entertaining gedankenexperimentation re: how much energy must one actually piss away in order to compute something
asciilifeform: 'anathem'
asciilifeform: adlai: a riotously entertaining book, as thickasthieves might attest
asciilifeform: adlai: based on book
asciilifeform: (originally r. feynman)
asciilifeform: http://strangepaths.com/reversible-computation/2008/01/20/en
asciilifeform: incidentally,
asciilifeform: second law of thermo exists. but it does not follow that we are required to piss in our pants.
asciilifeform: http://www.labyrinthinhabitant.com/anathem.html
asciilifeform: suddenly you end up in a bubble of finite size that's diverged from the rest of the universe << this featured in n. stephenson's mega-tale 'anathem'
asciilifeform remembers some rant (or was it a dream?) where 'dark matter' is universe-sim leaking memory
asciilifeform: !s bedrock
asciilifeform: ^ infamous tr0l0l0l
asciilifeform: ;;google atlas shrug harder
asciilifeform always wanted to write it
asciilifeform: sequel 'atlas croaked'
asciilifeform: !s little fleas
asciilifeform somehow knew mircea_popescu would bring out -that- book
asciilifeform to bed
asciilifeform: but i digress.