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phf: nah,
the fix is in
the
trunk already
mod6: ah ok. was
that
the pdf i didn't read?
mod6: tmsr aught
to send out a message
to
them saying
their shit dun work
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, phf, asciilifeform, mod6:
thoughts?
ben_vulpes: plan
then is
to grind
this patch for my v out shelling out
to sha512sum
ben_vulpes: i'm also not really in a mood
to make ironclad_genesis.vpatch
today
ben_vulpes: i don't want
to say something like "ensure you have HEAD of
the Ironclad library", i
think it's more likely and more in line with waht mod6 is doing
to shell out
to sha512sum
ben_vulpes: so here's what i'm
thinking re: ironclad
phf: is
there link outside of
twitter?
trinque: ben_vulpes: www-wot package farts out a bunch of json index files for
the search
mod6: and we had some ideas regarding
the same, but didn't come
to any specific conculsions.
trinque: that it came out as a
trollface smiley is a sign from
the gods.
mircea_popescu: "the whitehouse website based in maryland" as
the expression went.
mircea_popescu: then in a few centuries
tmsr guard can protect
the scotuspope much like
the swiss guard in rome
today. nice hats and all.
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is
the main strategic direction of
tmsr - in a few years
they either pay us
to "secure" all systems or else
the systems burn down.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: as a point of sovereign strategy, you always want
to
trade with
the smallest and
toughest of
the neighbours - it's productive, plus it softens
them up ; and
to loot and pillage
the largest, softest of neighbours (preferably under
the guise of "being allies" and "keeping
the peace" if possible, but outright rapine otherwise).
mircea_popescu: even emperor-god-jobs was KICKED OUT OF HIS OWN CORP by
the fuckers.
mircea_popescu: you want your customers
to be
tough, because if
they survive so do you.
mircea_popescu: there's an important business strategy point here
that's not discussed among
the chickens, but hark : it is actually a better business strategy
to sell
to isis
than
to us consumer - because isis is still on
the ground in spite of usg shooting missles at it ; whereas us consumer is barely standing in spite of usg pumping all it can print straight into him.
phf: asciilifeform: you mean berzin's? no wait pavlov's? oh wait. nikishov's? yeah scratch
that
too
mircea_popescu: gotta spend all
this
time maning stockades, rather
than
the other way around
mircea_popescu: alf likes
to assert "x profits from it" but
this assertion is kinda nude. apple benefits from xcode about as much as rbs benefits from western world being made of chickens.
phf: appcode/xcode/vs/etc. are not ~your ide~, none of
this is yours. i mean it's sort of like being sent
to gulag and grumbling about wheelbarrow design. of course you will, because mind, but it's not going
to make your life easier
ben_vulpes: i don't usually fuck with dependencies, but when i do i want my ide
to fix all of
the problems for me
phf: ben_vulpes: well,
that's why
there's appcode.
ben_vulpes: phf: even naive xcode shits whitespace all over
the place
mircea_popescu: of course at
the
time dev work was cheap. i had no interest, but
this actually happened in del ray casino ; and
the kids were asking for less
than what people
threw at
the sluttier
ticas in chips.
ben_vulpes: kinda
think "not working
totally incidental" has not been a favor
to its recipients.
mircea_popescu: as in, you know, "i'm sure
this is great and all, and
the not working
totally incidental"
mircea_popescu: he didn't even mean anything by it, he was using it ~to encourage~
the kids.
phf: ben_vulpes: it's actual
the opposite lulz right now. intellij idea is excellent
tool for shitstacking, but i know ok devs who stick
to subltime
text or vim because "lightweight" "real hacker
tool", even
though
they lack discipline and skill
to use
those
tools effectively. it's like "no, you should probably use
this
thing, so
that i don't have
to fucking deal with your inability
to format your own source file"
mircea_popescu recalls meeting cca i dunno, 2005 maybe ? dorks were going
to make a shop, made demo, mark (eldery expat,
texan,
totally lovely) innocently goes "wouldn't
this be a lot better if it worked ?"
ben_vulpes: (at least
the magento folks have
the decency
to call
their phpball a "site")
jurov was for some
time making money basically by reading 10y old perl,
too...
ben_vulpes: anyone ever see
the hoops people jump
through on large "magento" sites?
trinque: if
that doesn't indicate ~there's no one at
the wheel~ ...
trinque still cannot believe
the immense effort
that people put into making "dynamic" web page frameworks when
the overwhelming majority of
the web is static content.
mircea_popescu: (see greek "10 virgin girls, 10 virgin boys"
teseus history)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 20:23 asciilifeform: Great Inca cements himself into every possible process loop, makes sure
that everybody understands
that 'if Great Inca falls -- famine.'
ben_vulpes: "i
tell ya
tho, all
that
time you spend
tweaking emacs is entirely useless." *navigates
to precise spot of insanity* "well
that's cool, but emacs is still a waste of
time, i coulda found
that on github in a few seconds"
phf: ben_vulpes: "i don't know what's going on here" "ok, let's see what
the source says *opens source, starts reading*" "???!?!??!??!?"
ben_vulpes: "wait, how do you even find
the source code for stuff?!"
phf: asciilifeform: i literally don't spend ~any
time~ learning web on my own. i simply have
this unprecedented apparently ability
to sit
the fuck down and read
the documentation/source code for longer
then it
takes
to google
twitch. spend 3 hours of reading docs??? forget about it, i might as well be a wizard of some sort.
mircea_popescu: or no wait, sanger did
the retarded "citizen encyclopedia",
the crazy "knowledge" job was something else
mats: watta privilege, getting shitfaced on
the job
mircea_popescu: (i also
thought
that it was a lulzfest
to rival
that wikipedia founder/retard's crazy batshit "knowledge"
thing)
mats: heh, half a dozen folks i know at
tripadvisor are likely still
there because boss is ok with consuming a growler before noon
phf: schedule and write your
terms of engagement.
phf: asciilifeform: but i ~learned~ web 2.0 when it came out in 2004 or 2005 or so, back
then because it was interesting new
technology. literally nothing changed since
then. so now web is an easy racket. despite all
the "shitstack" cries
there's no difference between it and other
types of manure work, but
the bar is so low, it is sometimes very convenient. if you're a ~good~ developer doing web, you can write your own check, write your own
phf: asciilifeform: i also did physical security, actually my biggest lisp project was modifying FREEDIUS
to do perimeter security on multiple large south african compounds.
they needed
to do coordinated incident escalation and wanted something more sophisticated
then a wall of monitors
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu:
that'd be how i actually learned anything useful, finding a master jumping when
told.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 19:36 ben_vulpes: did mircea_popescu
think
the piece was actually supposed
to be useful for
teaching noobz
to c0d3?
ben_vulpes: i'm also experimenting with alternative identities, imagining wearing a food
truck,
to see "how
the other half lives"
ben_vulpes: ain't like alibaba and amz are going
to stop shipping cheap petrocrap
to
the states
ben_vulpes: i have been considering buying a few beat up
tow and box
trucks and getting into
the hauling of cars and storing of shit
phf: asciilifeform: i did all
those. i was in security for example, doing pen
testing and later opsec design.
that was in 2004
though
ben_vulpes: i once sat in on a sales meeting where
this security gentleman
terrorized a poor nonprofit into wasting
tens of
thousands of dollars on snake oil
ben_vulpes: i am pretty sure
this automated phone system just
told me
that
there were 128 people "ahead of me in line",
took down my number and
then called me back immediately
to put me on hold
BingoBoingo: jurov: Ah, yeah
tractor lulz just not acute enough atm
jurov: yes yes, just a way
to raise awareness and for BingoBoingo
to scoop some more precious shares :)
jurov wonders why no mention of fully skynet-capable
tractors
that can't be bought, only licensed