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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: compute, for a laugh, the size of the disk where this can take place

phf: asciilifeform: to be fair musl's version is naive, it generates/stats in a loop until there's no collision, but theoretically you can still get a race condition. glibc i believe does all kinds of smart tricks to ensure that doesn't happen, but it's all magic

mircea_popescu: phf why do you even use it at all ? i mean... hash the time with a salt, that's your filename. no good ?

phf: posix mandates 6 x's, glibc 3 or more, etc. thanks bvt for catching it, though it seems like a solution is to roll own

asciilifeform: nobody's baked a proper one yet. tho i can't presently see why it'd be difficult

asciilifeform: mkstemp : 'In glibc versions 2.06 and earlier, the file is created with permissions 0666, that is, read and write for all users. This old behavior may be a security risk... ...More generally, the POSIX specification of mkstemp() does not say anything about file modes...'

mircea_popescu: is a security risk. The race is avoided by mkstemp(3)."

mircea_popescu: are easy to guess, and on the other hand there is a race between test‐

mircea_popescu: XXXXXX by the current process ID and a single letter, so that at most

asciilifeform: 'The mktemp() function generates a unique temporary filename from template. The last six characters of template must be XXXXXX and these are replaced with a string that...' etc

mircea_popescu: (this is not even so trivial a point -- generally insanity is perceived as so very personal by the insane.

mircea_popescu: well, they say the path to sanity comes with finding out there's a word for insanity

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860394 << even if it doesn't actually bomb, he has a point. ☝︎

asciilifeform: hey, asciilifeform does a similarly loathesome, and at times ~identical, thing, for money in the saeculum. for so long as you approach it the way kepler approached his work as horoscope-maker, it's livable

asciilifeform: bvt: if it aint a seekrit, what sub-subject in particular ?

asciilifeform: bvt: tell us a bit about yerself

bvt: well, I was reading logs for a really long time

bvt: GNAT 2016 runtime deletes all files with temp bits at the Finalization stage, so everything should work fine. (Not an ada specialist, so when finalization is actually run is a mistery to me)

bvt: but also sets a Temp bit in File record

asciilifeform: or is this a theoretical boojum

asciilifeform: bvt: since you're already playing with a vtron, i suspect you know what the correct process is re patch

bvt: Sorry, don't have a WWW, but the fix should be a one-liner

asciilifeform: but p.bvulpes.com will work in a pinch

bvt: I have a bug report for vpatch from phf

a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:55 asciilifeform: but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher.

asciilifeform: ( stream ciphers are a 'religious' topic , imho )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keccak even worx as a stream cipher, and afaik no better or worse than other extant examples.

mircea_popescu: i can't think of what else is a hash used for.

mircea_popescu: Mocky it's a riff on how they use tiny mouthfuls at time. car just goes.

mircea_popescu: La fille de joie est belle au coin de la rue là-bas. Elle a une clientèle qui lui remplit son bas... /me sings

Mocky: mircea_popescu, the significance of keccak here is to have a better hash of same?

asciilifeform: ( all you need is that little bash , and a reasonably recent trb )

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1859947 >> btw, has there been any consideration of publishing a signed tar ball of the first, say half million blocks. not to have them set in stone, but like 'at height 550000, these were the first 500k' for purpose of eat-block jumpstart for nodeless noobs, such as myself? Log search didn't reveal it to my eyes. ☝︎

asciilifeform: deer imho aint comparable to a dog-sized rat with human hands, re lulz potential

asciilifeform: i have yet to see a deer eat rubbish.

asciilifeform: they're great when yer in a place where it's in zoo, like kangaroo.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> fuckers can unscrew jars. << The can also "play", I recall one time at scoutcamp they improvised a hockey game using a tin as a puck. Coons are perfectly capable of doing it for the lulz.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall this video of a coon exhibiting all the "intelligent" behaviour of black chicks code : was rubbing a rock against a glass door, because it had seen rocks open glass doors before but didn't quite understand how impact works. so cargocultcoon.

mircea_popescu: hence the old west expression "a coon's age" for ~forever.

BingoBoingo: Maybe you need to start a coyote reintroduction program in your region?

mircea_popescu: anyway, from experience of my north american east coast dwelling friends, the correct racoon weapon is actually a crossbow.

asciilifeform: what's a 'red ryder'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun have a dog, or where to.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, maybe you need a better dog?

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: critter is amazingly resilient, like some kinda miniature grizzly, can eat a 300m/sec gram into forehead and still run

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house ) << Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter and protagonist of children's stories

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have fields tho. and it apparently knows how to level a hectare/day, like boar

asciilifeform: ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house )

asciilifeform: incidentally, erry so often, a critter untypical for $region turns up, having stowed away in asian shipping container

BingoBoingo: Fellow could have hitched a ride on a truck

BingoBoingo: I think they also might have a zoo over there

mircea_popescu: that's a helluva pet.

BingoBoingo: Well, it's a couple beaches away from me

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hory shit that's a pit viper.

asciilifeform: billymg: you may also take an interest in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 , tho the mechanism relies on friendship with existing l1 folx , and is considered experimental ( it is a means of insuring against catastrophic crypto breaks )

mircea_popescu: iirc other than new voice model, a "flush addy" was also in deedbot upgrade spec.

mircea_popescu: whatever, key defense function of key value. so far he's just some guy with a coupla noob ratings. can be reproduced in ~afternoon.

asciilifeform: billymg: out of general principle, and esp. for usaschwitz inmates, it dun hurt to have a well-masqueraded copy sitting some place far from yours or your associates' usual business & habitation

asciilifeform: billymg: for some , ciphrogram printed on drum printer; for other folx -- burn a 1980s rom chip and put in a crate of 9000 identicals ; for yet others -- memorize ; very deeply personal preference

mircea_popescu: in any case, even if i say "basfii-liceform is actually asciilifeform 's new key, he managed to lose the old one", you'll be stuck speaking from the new name and depending on everyone evermore both a) encountering that notice and b) giving a shit, to jump the gap.

asciilifeform: billymg: the only way to ever change a key is to 1) sign with old 2) ask trinque politely. there are no 'emergency resets'.

mircea_popescu: well, folks who personally know other folks can beg for a rebirth cert from those other folks. not that it fixes everything.

mircea_popescu: actually this is a very nice japanese place, eel, yellowtail, red snapper, even serves kimchi.

mircea_popescu: but really, i'm not a huge fan. mostly got it for teh hussies. also had splendid green matcha, mutcha bettera.

billymg: i tried speaking in pizarro, i don't see a deedbot to message about voice

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am also missing-the-details on, e.g., exactly what hand feels like in a bear trap. but got enuff sense not to put it in, or go to sv..

a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 15:27 billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860043 << if you're very much dedicated to sticking to ux, eg eulora's client's in the early stages of being rewritten, Mocky may want you. otherwise, just pick something and whine at the owner, from v to whatever. write a mp-wp theme. there\s wghat to do. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i only have a distant idea ( sorta like my idea of the atmosphere of venus )

mircea_popescu: they literally caged ~50k monkeys who have nothing to do all day. king of the flies is a joke, these are adults (well...) not highschoolers and tens of thousands not hundreds.

mircea_popescu: a ok

BingoBoingo: As this was a public auction, I am inclined to believe this is the number we should be using for invoicing.

BingoBoingo: In other news, today is pizarro invoicing day and hanbot's auction closed per "<lobbesbot> AUCTION # 367 has ENDED: 500usd via WU SOLD to BingoBoingo for 76mn coppers. Attn: hanbot" leading to a price of 6579 usd/BTC ☟︎

asciilifeform reads the #e spamola, some of it is a++ lulz

billymg: but i have worked a lot with those in the graphic/illustration side, so can speak their language and manage them through projects if need be

asciilifeform: billymg: in my experience, if yer fiat shop is looking for a reason to sack you, they'll find one whether or not you posted anyffing 'interesting' ; and if not, and you're actually doing something useful there for the pay, then not

billymg: art not so much (not a designer of the graphic/illustrator variety)

billymg: asciilifeform: ah, i understood that your situation was more independent, like that of a consultant/contractor?

asciilifeform: billymg: for so long as you avoid obvious hand-in-bear-trap in the vein of 'hi, i'm j. smith and i work for xyz corp and their product is liquishit' , generally nobody gives a shit

billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code ☟︎

billymg: i work for your typical sv company, which is my current connection to a fiat faucet, and for that reason i'd like to keep this identity separate from my fiat identity (to avoid an overzealous coworker who may stumble upon the logs trying to get me kicked for a CoC violation or whatever)

billymg: i don't mean to only lurk, i'm a long time log reader and am hoping i can be of service to any of the lords in their projects. by trade (as defined in fiat land at least) i am a ux designer and developer. happy to introduce myself in the channel if i am voiced again

asciilifeform: there's a whole bunch of weird stuff in gnat, some of it potentially plunderable, some -- dunno -- e.g. a ~complete implementation of SNOBOL

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: both are logging, mine has a gap of several days i must stitch in.

phf: it's definitely a lag between the irc servers, because i got the same burst of your messages, while i was getting ascii in realtime

mircea_popescu: get a load of that.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:37 Mocky: asciilifeform, nice and warm. encountered a traffic wtf. stop light in the middle of the city with literal 10 minute cycle time in one direction ~20 seconds. took 3 cycles for my taxi to get thru

asciilifeform: yea i just got a long burst of queued mircea_popescu

a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 19:57 trinque will take a signed message from phf on what cruft to saw off

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859895 << alf has a point, the correct process for updating key should include delete old one before import new one. otherwise you just end up with dysfunctional historical midden. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:47 Mocky: speaking of streets, street names appear totally optional, address can be a paragraph long description.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859861 << there's a famous half hour one in boston. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: And we have a netsplit

asciilifeform: imho could be interesting to attempt a similar survey , but without the asinine filtration ( and on top of this, to forgo listing the liquishit that makes up 99+% of the supposed net )

asciilifeform: ( granted if mircea_popescu has a mpb noad there, it won't show in in this heathen www , iirc they filter vers. #s <0.8 )

asciilifeform: phf: you should still be able to override the clock and sign a letter to trinque with old pub

asciilifeform: phf: the deedbot one still does contain a sign with today's date tho

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> speaking of streets, street names appear totally optional, address can be a paragraph long description. << AHA, Montevideo killed that with sane street numbering, but apparently that happens in the boonies here