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mp_en_viaje: yeah, but probably correct approach is
to have client not split such a line wrongly.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-02-18 17:29:22 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as
the motivation
to enter
the field.'
mp_en_viaje: the fact
that
they, literally, snatched defeat from jaws of victory, makes one suspect maybe
these coulds weaker
than desired.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:18:36 mp_en_viaje: now
then, linux ~could have~ also been
the definitive video stack, giving itself a lease on life extending past ~now. but
then
they fucked it all up.
mp_en_viaje: but it didn't! is
the important point. yes giraffe could have had
trunk and elephant wings. COULD HAVE. DID NOT. major diff.
mp_en_viaje: i don't even disagree with
the broad model.
mp_en_viaje: you should see
the atrocity
that is facebook,
today's successor. works actually worse
than hotmail of
the hopeful microsoft days
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what about
the hotmail purchase ?
mp_en_viaje: note
that it does not start 1900. present and attested 1346
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:21:21 mp_en_viaje: so, not
to put
too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe
to make yourself feel "different from
the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments.
the fact of
the matter is, linux exists for and
through and by and because apache, mysql, and
the glue gluing
these
together : php.
that's wha
mp_en_viaje: then again, when
the king's qualified
to king age 12... shortsightedness comes with
the crown.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-07-12 14:00:03 mircea_popescu: but do you recall
the case of
the misfortunate doria charge ?
mp_en_viaje: this is also
true, as a broad
trend. it is unfortunate but
true
that
the inept king prefers crossbowmen over archers, because archers
take lifetime
to
train and dedication from puberty
to craft, whereas crossbow can be operated by... outsourced labour. it
takes a certain sort of short-sightedness
to not notice
the implicit band-of-brothers vs
your own nobles cutting down your own mercs snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:13:51 mp_en_viaje: i am aware various sysadmin-y folks flatter
themselves
that "something unixlike'd have existed anyway for our
terminal&cmdline needs".
this is utterly false,
they'd have been clucking at GUI interfaces exactly like
the medical profession / barristas everywhere, and been
thankful when .jar finally rolled around.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:16:47 mp_en_viaje:
the 1990s "tech support" kiddo (perhaps best
typified by
thorne, who is a faggoty "designer" ;
though i'm aware everyone'd rather it be "BOFH" or whatever similar self-wank) running grep over everyone-workking-at-the-videostore's hoemdirs never had any say or pulled any weight.
toxicfact or haetfact or wha
mp_en_viaje: so
the idea is, somehow a better use for linux will be found ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:47:31 mp_en_viaje: i get it,
the concept grates, "but mp, i could design so much better systems" no you couldn't.
the linux
thing was successful ~coincidentally~. a space of possibilities was explored, and
this is what STUCK. you can't design a better pile of nonsense for
the exact reason you can't design a better elephant
trunk : it wasn't fucking designed! it's what stuck!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:49 phf: but correct way of handling
this in python, is
to read() line by line, which returns whatever, ascii,
then parse
the [date] <nick> bits as ascii,
then
take
the rest of line and
try: msg.decode('utf-8') except: msg.decode('latin-1')
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 01:00:50 asciilifeform: phf's bot, incidentally,
ate. now would be a notbad
time for
the fella
to come
the hell out of his coma and say how.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:44 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546322 <<
this behavior has nothing
to do with znc (unless you explicitly configured znc
to recode your messages), it has
to do with
the fact
that irc is encoding agnostic. used
to be you had koi8-r only channels, or latin-1 only channels etc. now utf-8 is
the "standard" but from back in
those days you have a peculiar hack surviging in a lot of clients. everyone's expected
to be able
to read latin-1,
mp_en_viaje: ant
to continue :
https://internet.com/ ; much like
IAC, QuinnStreet is a "S&P 600 Component", you know, with supposed revenue out of
those shit "properties" and assorted other self-imagined bullshit.
believe.
mp_en_viaje: drove
the selection, how it drove it, etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: so,
to conclude
the whole discussion : designing-improvements-on-selected-systems might be
the lulziest impedance mismatch of
them all.
the prime directive of
the engineer is
to first become aware of
the selected portions of his environment, and
then
take care around
them. yes, you can design
things -- but only in well understood contexts. part of
that understanding, ~central~ part of
that understanding is awareness of
the selected portions, what
mp_en_viaje: it's not
there because it was designed ; it's
there because it was selected, which is a different
thing. selection
produces things that work, definitionally,
that's what it is. not well or correctly or properly but AT ALL.
mp_en_viaje: yes, i'm aware, if you made
the giraffe it wouldn't have
the laryngeal branch of
the vagus go a mile around
the heart. whopee for you, but do you know what ? galen was fucking aware
this is happening in people
too! it's called ~recurrent~ because it goes away and comes back,
this is
the case in all fucking mammals, equally "for no reason".
mp_en_viaje: i get it,
the concept grates, "but mp, i could design so much better systems" no you couldn't.
the linux
thing was successful ~coincidentally~. a space of possibilities was explored, and
this is what STUCK. you can't design a better pile of nonsense for
the exact reason you can't design a better elephant
trunk : it wasn't fucking designed! it's what stuck!
mp_en_viaje: yet ~the
thing
that runs python~ is already apache. definitionally. it's a broken half-way implementation of apache, but
this doesn't make it either lighter or better or faster or anything. doing half
the job ain't being "agile", it's being costly in a hidden manner : someone somewhere downstream will have
to implement what you left out at
the proper level, and it'll be more expensive
then.
mp_en_viaje: then
they're going
to implement apache in php, because
totally,
this ~can~ be done.
then
they're going
to have a lightweight apache
to run
their php and you're welcome
to a) attempt
to start
three "servers" of
this nonsense and b) wonder about
the impedance mismatches.
mp_en_viaje: it's your knife, covered in some waste of your
tin foil.
mp_en_viaje: yes, guido von fucktard is going
to "invent" a "
language to make programming easy for everyone", hurr. it's exactly as needed as a
tin-foil-covered-kitchen-knife makes a great birthday present. yes, a bright 5yo / retarded 12yo might give you
that for your birthday ; you may even briefly interact with it. it's still not a fucking
thing --
mp_en_viaje: and
this nonsense
then drives and is driven by
the
typically ustardian mode of failure, "we'll be rich by doing each other's laundry" "service economy" answer
to
the exact problem of argentina discussed above is
then manifested in
the "we'll just wrap everything in wrapping wrappy wrapers" "tech"/"innovation"/"entrepreneurial" nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: python/perl/whatever are not "better php".
they might be more comfortable php, which is exactly like "i feel weird buying condoms otc, i really need a brown paper bag". fine, whatever works for you. don't
tell me
though stories about "the really cool store with
the really better condoms".
they're not better just because
the clerk awkwardness-matches you and
the SAME EXACT fmcg offering is proffered in an extra brown paper wrapper.
mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue.
that's what it's gonna be. call
them what you will, but
try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from
the rope store and server from
the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at
the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
mp_en_viaje: yes, you can use "flask" instead of apache. it's shitty,
they know is shitty,
the reason
they "dont recommend" you put it naked on #80 is precisely
that
they know it's shit.
mp_en_viaje: the fucking design of ~everything~ linux is always
the same, and always
this. divergence from
this is neither clever nor ever functional, it'll always reduce
to "i'm running LPyFFF because I don't understand why F has
to come before
the alt-P".
mp_en_viaje: yes,
there's alternatives. of course
there are. you don't have
to coca cola,
there's also pepsi. you like postgres more
than mysql, well
the fuck done, use
that
then. it'll be still used as an M in LAMP. because
that's what
the damned
thing is, "flexibility" my ass.
mp_en_viaje: i don't give a shit what you
tell
the orcs back home, or your crying inner 6yo at night or anything else -- buy
the
ticket,
take
the ride.
mp_en_viaje: when you get a job with microsoft, you ~also~ buy
the 90yo "representative" from iowa being "
senior" just as you buy
the add
treatment for your kids and
the wood frame house in vinyl siding and "black culture" and everything else.
mp_en_viaje: at's
the doctrine and
the standard solution and
the "werkzeug"/kunstkammer of it.
mp_en_viaje: so, not
to put
too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe
to make yourself feel "different from
the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments.
the fact of
the matter is, linux exists for and
through and by and because apache, mysql, and
the glue gluing
these
together : php.
that's what it is,
that's what it's for,
th
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-27 16:37:59 mircea_popescu: gnu managed
to drive directx into
the ground, on
the strength of naive if well meaning contributors, and
then managed
to give
the advantage back
to windows, and snatch defeat from
the very jaws of victory, on
the strength of imbecile management.
mp_en_viaje: now
then, linux ~could have~ also been
the definitive video stack, giving itself a lease on life extending past ~now. but
then
they fucked it all up.
mp_en_viaje: the 1990s "tech support" kiddo (perhaps best
typified by
thorne, who is a faggoty "designer" ;
though i'm aware everyone'd rather it be "BOFH" or whatever similar self-wank) running grep over everyone-workking-at-the-videostore's hoemdirs never had any say or pulled any weight.
toxicfact or haetfact or whatever, fact stays fact.
mp_en_viaje: i am aware various sysadmin-y folks flatter
themselves
that "something unixlike'd have existed anyway for our
terminal&cmdline needs".
this is utterly false,
they'd have been clucking at GUI interfaces exactly like
the medical profession / barristas everywhere, and been
thankful when .jar finally rolled around.
mp_en_viaje: without
this, all of linux (and all of
the SMALLER foss, which piggy-backs on it, and always has, and always would have and forever would have had ; and certainly all of
the even smaller and insignificant if more
organisedly-stupid GNU) would have forever stayed
the exact equivalent of an obscure gentoo repackaging
three kids maintain for purely self-actualisation & escapist reasons. [
http://trilema. mp_en_viaje: so,
the only reason linux exists, let me restate
that actually :
THE ONLY FUCKING REASON LINUX EXISTS is
the sheer coincidence
that people got
the lamp stack (read : linux, apache, mysql, php) going just in
time for
the september
that never ended fallout.
mp_en_viaje: since i exhausted him, i will now bark into
the ethers (until someone wakes up), in
the form of
the following consumer computing likbez
that we can all discuss once everyone else is sober -- im having second
thoughts as
to whether i ever want
to be sober again.
mp_en_viaje: or wait, i got
them wrong didn't i. kunstjig and zugkammer ?
mp_en_viaje: Flask is a lightweight WSGI web application framework. It is designed
to make getting started quick and easy, with
the ability
to scale up
to complex applications. It began as a simple wrapper around Werkzeug and Jinja and has become one of
the most popular Python web application frameworks." << really makes me want
to be sober, reading
that
thing.
mp_en_viaje: you know, apache has
this built-in scripting language we won't name
to run db queries.
mp_en_viaje: dispose with flask dependency and all
that.
mp_en_viaje: also stating ftr : if /me had designed
this, it'd have been one single apache server, handling directories into which various cron-run pythons vomited whatever. not even port binding, comms
through fs.
mp_en_viaje: fucking circus ropeshow you got going
there...
mp_en_viaje: or you using multiple flasks for each of
these
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know, you can prolly get flask bind
to 80 ?
mp_en_viaje: ill say ftr what while ~decade ago
this was actually standard deployment, i've not been bothered
to have it for a long
time now
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes but QoS and all
that, port 80 is differently
treated by routers, you're aware of
this
mp_en_viaje: no fucking inkiling of an idea in
their ferrous craniums
that
the ~moving~ is
the point, nfi what overheads are, yakyakywak about "nos
todos" and "social class" and whatever nonsense.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 15:10:34 BingoBoingo: Las empresas de consumo masivo aumentan sus precios hasta 15% y el Gobierno evalúa qué hacer con "Precios Esenciales" << Headline across
the river
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 13:33:53 asciilifeform: so i still suspect it aint
the pipe ( diana_coman lives at piz )
mp_en_viaje: you never mentioned
this ? did i miss some log parts ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, ok so
then, what's
the problem with
the obvious course :
test some static html files, see if it has same problem, implement cache as discussed yest when
time permits and be done with it.