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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought that normally they fucked little chillenz or similar
mircea_popescu: i've yet to find a hitler servant that fucked anything.
asciilifeform: he's that kind of 3111117 d00d.
asciilifeform: historically accurate to the point of wtf -- even radio controls (what good are they in a sim?) are there. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and, unrelatedly, asciilifeform reluctantly admits that (american! early 2000s) 'cougar' game joystick is mighty fine. 1:1 sized replica of 'f16' controls, everything made from iron, even buttons. quite pleasantly surprising. almost like piece from different era, when even toys were made honestly.
mircea_popescu: hopefully he doesn't decide to fuck any of the interns or anything.
asciilifeform: but last i heard there's 300+ bodies in there
asciilifeform pictures herr wolfram reading the article about him, and going 'neinneinneinneiennein!1111, banging head'
mircea_popescu: the dispositive criterion for the matter is the counterparty function.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, latest visitors to my www, and then to nosuchlabs: employees of Wolfram Co.
asciilifeform: imho actual moneys are in different conceptual category than coulda-shoulda-woulda-moneys, but perhaps that's just me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would that be in actual btc-that-usg-somehow-had ? or in 'could-have-hads' (riaa-style accounting..?)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-dont-the-dogs-get/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Don't the dogs get
mircea_popescu: (to be perfectly clear - most of the eth budget went to propping the exchange rate, nothing else.)
mircea_popescu: the sort that pay for the bullets that cut holes in retarded us-born kids' heads.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the loss was extracted in the field of battle, and came as actual, isis-equipping dollars.
asciilifeform: academitards get paid in turkeydollar?! where?
mircea_popescu: nor dogs (except for their tongue).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mind that chickens do not sweat.
mircea_popescu: but in any case - ethertard budget exceeded 50mn in 2016 ; and these are turkey dollars. this is more than the aggregate expenditure across all software branches in the united states in that year.
asciilifeform: (and 100,000x -- to rubyism and other unthinkable rubbish)
asciilifeform: easily 1000x the sweat went to haskell.
mircea_popescu: the currency of the reich is, as the original hitler well observed, a sort of sweat.
asciilifeform: dunno that hitler ever goes 'all in', the moneys (however counted) spent on, e.g., haskell, dwarf the ethertard lab budget 100+x
mircea_popescu: moreover, the strategic profile is not symmetrical : the initative is strictly not with hitler.
mircea_popescu: mp can afford to lose however much mp volunteers to lose ; the exposure profile is not symmetrical, hitler keeps having to go all in.
asciilifeform: the exact moment when hitler runs out of furniture to burn, is ~unknowable
mircea_popescu: then hitler tries to make "his own bitcoin", and pumps the battery, which mp drains at his leisure. but it is HIS, hitler figures, so he changes it. and changes it. each subsequent change resulting in erosion of his grasp over the battery in question. the wind blows the other way.
mircea_popescu: ; and b) that it happens when mp actively says.
mircea_popescu: to which mp reacts with http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/ ; which is notable in the form, but not in the result. hitler gets to do his usual manipulation, and "win", but a) hitler is stuck denying the venue where he won exists, and this hurts him so bad he spends a year trying to get kakobrekla to eventually agree "fiat is a better deal" and whatever other "modern science & democracy" nonsense
mircea_popescu: so far the winds are not too favourable. consider the situation in the field : hitler has ~exactly one trick~, and it is the following trick : you know i shall fall, and i know i shall fall, and we both know we both know, but here's the thing -- the market can stay liquid for longer than you can stay solvent, especially if the liquid is liquid shit from my liquid shit pump. so come, take positions on my sotck exchange, reflec
asciilifeform: drain the battery, if you will, that mircea_popescu et al charged.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hitler dun wanna settle for 'burn own citizenry', that's trivial already. he wants to dekulakize mircea_popescu et al.
mircea_popescu: that "and them only" trailer is mostly why we haven't had the pleasure. just as soon as hitler figures out how to remove it, he WILL burn his citizenry into a crips, as he always does.
mircea_popescu: no, actually - a forest fire that singes every ~law abiding~ participant and them only.
asciilifeform: we haven't really had many of'em, to learn from.
asciilifeform: but it is strange to speak of an 'average case' for phorkwarz.
asciilifeform: it is best-case. average-case will also involve a forest fire that singes ~everybody.
mircea_popescu: this is a best case view not supported in practice (by which practice we mean the repeated etherape, symbolic as it is of the chances of the premier science and technology institution in the world in front of a loose assemblage of things that don't, supposedly, exist.)
asciilifeform: (specifically, a node where somebody touched the hot wire, will accept blocks that other, traditional nodes, will not. and/or reject blocks with they ~will~. definitionally - forktronic.)
asciilifeform: that may or may not get forked at a particular time, but now ~is~ forkable, leaving you and anyone dumb enough to use your patched btctron on the -- almost certainly -- losing end.
asciilifeform: as soon as you touch the hot wire, you now have a 'schrodinger's blockchain'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 20:45 mircea_popescu: none of this stuff CAN be fixed.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz) http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1594162 << it is important to actually go the gedankenexperiment, in one's mind, and understand why it cannot be fixed. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it is textbook heartbleediste misdirection.
asciilifeform: but at any rate, this threatrical blinkenlight assemblage is simply to distract from the fact that the check IS NOT ENFORCED!
asciilifeform: arbitrarily, the comparison is only even performed if the magic is below LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0042 )
asciilifeform: (spoiler: it comes from your system clock +/- the voodoo delta that trb comes up with using peers)
mircea_popescu: that's why the "pistols" discussion ends up where it does
mircea_popescu: none of this stuff CAN be fixed. ☟︎
asciilifeform: don't think enemy doesn't know which wires are hot. he -- knows.
asciilifeform: because it's '3rd rail.' they change ~any~ semantics, and -- bang -- forkable.
asciilifeform: davout: see a few min ago. link. it was not touched in prb10.
davout: in all fairness, some of this stuff might also have been fixed later on
asciilifeform: that's the end of the line, where this train goes, yes.
mircea_popescu: including eg btc creating txn
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing allows nonconforming txn to be put in!
mircea_popescu: which is the type of thing alf is usually loud about, and all thinking men concerned :
davout: maybe i'm missing the semantics of "transaction finality"
davout: asciilifeform: this IsFinal method is quite weird, if nLockTime < blockHeight, the further checks on the txin are simply skipped
mircea_popescu: and if you are one of those who can summon the mental energy to convince yourself this [sort of thing] is accident rather than mens rea, you have my admiration.
asciilifeform: the ~appearance~ of rules, where there is only promises.
asciilifeform: this is the liquishit 'softness' of 'softforks'.
davout: also, from reading the source, AcceptBlock is an entirely different beast than CheckBlock
asciilifeform: and yes, this crapola is typical
mod6: or typical
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is called, in this case, 'underhanded c'
mircea_popescu: there should be a word for computer code that does the opposite of what it "appears" to be wanting to do.
asciilifeform: AND the blocktime thing. it recurses.
asciilifeform: nope, that condition only gets unmet if any INPUT is nonfinal
davout: so a block doesn't pass AcceptBlock if one of the transactions has nLockTime > blockHeight
asciilifeform: davout: all tx that live in a block must be 'final' yes
davout: raises an error should one of the transactions return false for IsFinal ?
davout: and this one here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#1268
davout: asciilifeform: this method returns false if nLockTime is > blockHeight http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0436
asciilifeform: because the bomb ~could~ drop ~tonight~.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:53 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.10.0#0722 << still quite the same in prb 10 !!
asciilifeform: and observe, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510563 , the prb idiots did not ever dare to introduce eggoging-on-locktime-violated. because that there'd be a phork ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:45 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what EXTANT miners CHOOSE to mine, and what COULD be mined, if there were sane folks mining, are quite distinct things.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510547 << prev. thread re subj. ☝︎
asciilifeform: nor a block containing said 'violator' tx.
asciilifeform: ergo no trb node will ever reject a tx for reasons pertaining to 'locktime' garbage.
asciilifeform: afaik all real-life tx are 'final'.
asciilifeform: carefully follow the logic.
asciilifeform: davout: it applied to nonfinal txen strictly.
davout: mircea_popescu: iirc there was one locktime thing that was there from day 1
mircea_popescu: sooner or latter prb WILL be unwound. this is a certainty. just a matter of when.
mircea_popescu: davout trb does not implement any of the prbisms. this means that ANY innovation included by the power rangers is a "while it lasts" thing, and building on top of it is setting one up for tears.
davout: one that was there since day 1, the other that was 'soft-forked' in
davout: iirc there were two *different* locktime 'features'
asciilifeform: we had this thread.
asciilifeform: they can say 'fuckyou' tonight, if they like.
davout: asciilifeform: so you're saying a block including a transaction with locktime > block height is considered valid by trb ?
asciilifeform: the locktime thing is simply a hint that says 'usg-compliant miners, PLEEEZ dun mine this until block X'
asciilifeform: anybody with a few mil. usd to burn could rent the hash tonight to thermonuke it.
asciilifeform: and even if it weren't, it does the exact OPPOSITE of what i asked for.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 20:16 asciilifeform: theoretically a 'will go in node xxxxxxx --- yyyyyyy inclusive or NEVER' field in tx, would have been sane. but it is too late, this is not in bitcoin.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1594075 <<< iirc it's half there, see "locktime" ☝︎
asciilifeform: presumably the 'withholding algo' discussed earlier.
phf: sbcl right now is at 450mb on average, which drops to 270mb after full gc