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Framedragger: (i at least check
that my webpages look good on lynx/elinks)
mircea_popescu: for a browser ? come on. it's not good.
the only
thing it had going for it were a bunch of retards using it. now it doesn't even have
that.
Framedragger: (fwiw sandboxing efforts look nice and more
technically involved; question is how easy it'd be
to apply work done
there
to other browsers and so on; if not, meh)
☟︎ Framedragger: so suddenly
the numbers of wide populace matter? :)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nah, it's been going on for 2-3 years at
the least.
mircea_popescu: which is in itself a very amusing commentary on
the
toils and
travails of
the jwz gang.
they... rescued netscape. and it did... netscape.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you are aware firefox is dead for all practical purposes, yes ? in fact i don't know any browser
that lost market share at its speed, except of course netscape back in
the day.
Framedragger: so
turn off such on-by-default leakage (and other leakages for fingerprinting), etc.
Framedragger: simple, high-entropy fingerprint of a computer. In fact,
the hash of
the rendered image can be used almost identically
to a
tracking cookie by
the web server."
Framedragger: certainly nothing of huge import. some of
those are definitely a bit snakeoil'y, but not completely useless. i don't know how much you care about e.g. browser fingerprinting. right now html5 canvas leaks badly, i.e. "The adversary simply renders WebGL, font, and named color data
to a Canvas element, extracts
the image buffer, and computes a hash of
that image data. Subtle differences in
the video card, font packs, and even font and graph
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : <!--
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the error page with enough characters such
that it is greater
than 512 bytes, even after gzip compression abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890aabbccddeeffgghhiijjkkllmmnnooppqqrrssttuuvvwwxxyyzz11223344556677889900abacbcbdcdcededfefegfgfhghgihihjijikjkjlklkmlmlnmnmononpopoqpqprqrqsrsrtstsubcbcdcdedefefgfabcadefbghicjkldmnoepqrfstugvwxhyz1i234j567k890laabmbccnddeoeffpg
BingoBoingo: And in African it derives from
the man Petrus
telling
the boy David
that building is skilled work as David plays gopher for Petrus's
tools
mircea_popescu: of course, he got half of
the discussion of etymology of engineering from
the older discussion ; it's
true
that in french it comes from ingenuity however in english it comes from engine. which was
the fucking point,
this slide.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-02 22:10 hanbot: <mircea_popescu> but i am well and
truly at a loss, who owns it ? no idea. maybe lobbes ? i somehow du nthink it was mike_c- << i'm pretty sure it was his, yeah.
mircea_popescu: wasn';t
that supposed
to be replaced with an inflatable matress or a scooba goggle or something ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 17:45 asciilifeform:
this 'works' is a pestilence and is largely why clueful greybeards from
the meat world , e.g., mircea_popescu , unzip and piss on programmers simply for sport
mircea_popescu: and yes,
they have. entertained whole flight with discussion of vehicle steering. where "vehicle" ( {bus, ship, submarine, airplane, ..., satellite}
trinque: oh sure, no argument here. but
then go and rewrite a compatible gcc
trinque: I
thought asciilifeform had a www on
this
trinque: yes, one can memorize a mapping between some phenomena and
their effects, and
this does not amount
to "understands computers"
trinque: one moment "nobody can fit c machine in head" and
the next "anyone can c puny human!1!1!!"
trinque: and when someone can be said
to understand it
trinque: misses
the point entirely;
the question is how
to
teach
the
thing
a111: Logged on 2017-01-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: if
the same archbishop inquires as
to why i poured cement
the way i did i can answer without ado.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-02 21:36 mircea_popescu: what do you answer when
they ask "what do {} do" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-02 21:29 mircea_popescu: "oh
that's what
those do." "yes." "but why." "nevermind"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-02 21:22 mircea_popescu: 90% of my audible output was "your question can not be answered in
that general form".
tears were shed, of rage and frustration.
towards
the
third day i recited from
the molieben of st naggum,
the part where he says c makes people lie, and
there was
THANK YOU! GOOD GOD!
mircea_popescu: and since i'm on a moldy
tome kick, let's note down ܝܳܠܕܰܬ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ie joldath allaho. in syriac. because yes, even as egypt was mostly christian in its recent history (just as all of
the "arabic" middle east), allah exists in arabic as a corruption of a syriac notation of a greek interpretation of a hebrew name for god.
BingoBoingo: Ah,
the mike_c legacy. If it's good and no one remembers who made it, probably mike_c
hanbot: it's been recently fed
to archive.is anyway
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> but i am well and
truly at a loss, who owns it ? no idea. maybe lobbes ? i somehow du nthink it was mike_c- << i'm pretty sure it was his, yeah.
☟︎ trinque: student just gets dumped on an island, ends up maybe with some survival skills and
the superstitions
that come along with not being able
to know what lurks in
the night.
mircea_popescu: funny
that all
the schmucks declaratively anti-racism and dedicated
to you know, "unlocking human potential" aren't in
the slightest preoccupied with doing anything in
the vein of
their declared interests.
trinque: yep. other
than a system built atop simple first principles (scheme or forth-a-tron) I don't see
that a sensible approach
to learning can be had.
mircea_popescu: however it's not just
that nobody "involved" in "development" of $modern-software package can't make a statement of any kind in
this sense. it goes all
the way back before
the crays.
mircea_popescu: o cases where it is false.
this is
the wot model -
to be signed it must not be false because if it is false
then you get negrated don't you.
mircea_popescu: but yes,
the
thing V brings
to light, slowly, and evidently painfully, is
that
the rot did not start within our lifetimes.
there's almost a century of subjugation of sense for
the sake of convenience, inaugurated like all insanity during
the war and maintained hence.
the standard of "make a statement about x" does not reduce
to "here you go" "is it
true ?" "well, at least in one case it is". properly speaking,
there must be n
mircea_popescu: of course
the end result of reason's nap are monsters.
mircea_popescu: why should it get
to. nobody at
the wheel, car goes where it pleases, horse shall graze as it might ?
diana_coman: well, it started as a set of holes in punch-cards - not sure what life support is
that likely
to get
to
mircea_popescu: it's not of
the nature of, we go for a walk, and now
the flat
turns into rolling hills and we are in a forest and
the
trail eventually
takes us up
to a mountain. nothing of
the kind. it's
that we go up
to
the water line, wherein we don
the scuba gear, and enter an entirely new world.
mircea_popescu: which is why my conclusion is rather
that hackathons are actually impossible in
this context.
mircea_popescu: but it's a hackathon not a course in
theoretical cs ; we're not at liberty
to not write one line of code within
the first six months ; we must start within five minutes. yes
that which you say exists, but
this different other
thing also exists. why doesn't it ?
diana_coman: myeah,
that's actually how we started at uni pretty much
trinque: this
thing where
things may or may not indicate hierarchy and you gotta know in advance sucks
trinque: better
to start from what an AST is, preferably in a language where levels of AST are delimited in
the same manner always
diana_coman: heh, I specifically avoided saying "group statements
together" because I did not know how much/whether
they knew about statements
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it's no good because
they'll
then say void main {void}
mircea_popescu: if
the same archbishop inquires as
to why i poured cement
the way i did i can answer without ado.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: god knows i can explain math in such a manner ; what
the fuck is so special about algorithmics.
diana_coman: first in 9th grade when first introduced
to procedural programming; 2nd and even more clearly a few years later when I got into functional programming - it required a change of
thinking simply, it wasn't natural in either case
mircea_popescu: tis not an easy problem. moreover it's not even clear
to me why it exists in
the first place.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ftr I saw and even experienced
this sort of
trouble but unrelated
to C++ as such - related
to *programming* in itself really, regardless of language
pete_dushenski: right. which is why people don't want
to
talk
to me and why i'm
talking
to you lot of bots!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski
that's
the problem, right
there. yes, maybe. why would someone want
to
talk
t oyou when all you have
to say are maybes.
mircea_popescu: and by "perfectly functioning brain" i don't mean
they're qualified
to work
the cash register. suppose one day
the bishop of vad comes
to you and asks you
that.
the man knows plenty of
things, what do you say
to him SO
THAT YOU DO NOT LIE.
diana_coman: they group
together what is contained within
mircea_popescu: diana_coman consider someone who has a perfectly functioning brain and no prior exposure
to programming.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't
think I basically get enough of what it was
that was going on
there
to comment much further
BingoBoingo: A number of women make fine MEN in
the model of Petrus.
pete_dushenski: which is why calling
the open eulora bot coding competition FOR MEN ONLY "a hackathon" seems... odd.
diana_coman: pete_dushenski, aha, social coding at it's best, used
to be called a party
pete_dushenski: diana_coman:
the "results" of "real hackathons" ? some lulz and some memories of "that one
time" mostly.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman consider -
there isn't a general statement of "what is it exactly {} do".
this is already a fine and complete statement.
mircea_popescu: that i can't answer for. but some kind of model as
to why deleting inside curly braces works, but not outside
they've formed.
diana_coman: what is it exactly
they discovered
the {} do?
mircea_popescu: understand - most of
the convention is opaque in a proper sense. merely discovering
that {} must be preserved, for instance,
took
time.
diana_coman: the way I see it is
that
they are basically constraints - of all sorts and not necessarily of some overall design/rationality/logical stuff; if you insist for some reason
to do something in
that environment,
then you have
to work within
those constraints, as nonsensical as
they might be
mircea_popescu: Te blestem pe
tine, incepatorul rautatilor si al hulei, capetenia impotrivirii si urzitorul vicleniei.
Te blestem pe
tine, cel aruncat din lumina cea de sus si surpat pentru mandrie in intunericul adancului.
Te blestem pe
tine si pe
toata puterea cea cazuta ce a urmat vointa
ta.
Te blestem pe
tine, duh necurat, cu Dumnezeu Savaot si cu
toata oastea ingerilor lui Dumnezeu, Adonai, Eloi, Dumnezeul cel atotputernic; iesi si
te d