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asciilifeform: leaf spring switches ('alps', 'cherry', others) are not normally considered repairable - on account of there being no ready supply (afaik) of replacement springs.
asciilifeform: (in the latter, the spring has been known to deform. can obtain replacement spring easily.)
asciilifeform: badon: leaf spring switches wear out considerably faster than buckling springs
asciilifeform: can be any board with identical switches.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: transplanted switches don't have to come from 'northgates' per se.
asciilifeform: badon: presumably they have happy customers already.
asciilifeform: (not so much 'model m' - i used them also, but they do not, for any practical purpose, wear out. so don't need many.)
asciilifeform: i tend to buy 'northgates' in reasonable condition whenever and wherever they pop up
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: not a question of money, but of what is physically attainable
asciilifeform: (leaf springs develop a 'stutter' as they age)
asciilifeform: for these, it helps to have a sacrificial keyboard in your cellar, to desolder switches from when the inevitable comes
asciilifeform: 'alps' and similar (leaf spring) switches are good for a decade or so of heavy use
asciilifeform: i've yet to render a single 'model m' even partially inoperable.
asciilifeform: badon: mechanical switches
asciilifeform won't use membrane keyboard unless trapped (laptop in the field, etc)
asciilifeform: http://xahlee.info/kbd/Maltron_keyboard.html
asciilifeform: badon: your device reminds me of maltron's keyboard.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: !up badon
asciilifeform: gernika: that's a standard model m from the photo, yes
asciilifeform: not yet, anyway
asciilifeform: not afaik
asciilifeform: i recall he bought, not long ago, a 'bolt modded' model m
asciilifeform: somebody wake up diametric
asciilifeform: no good comes of it
asciilifeform: don't want multi-keyboard support.
asciilifeform: i meant, in kernel
asciilifeform: i don't even allow usb keyboards on my personal machines.
asciilifeform: usb lol
asciilifeform: or any maintenance.
asciilifeform: real 'model m' goes 30+ years without any malfunction of any detectable kind whatsoever.
asciilifeform: knockoff is a turd.
asciilifeform: spring - gave out. buzzing repeats.
asciilifeform: decimation: funny that you mention this, a colleague of mine is throwing his out just now.
asciilifeform: but i have yet to find a keyboard made post-1995 or so that was worth having
asciilifeform: PeterL: i might do so, if any keyboard having it were worth using in the first place
asciilifeform: worthy of a 'dollar store' calculator.
asciilifeform: and that's not even considering the castrated space bar (to fit the worthless winblows keys)
asciilifeform: i find them a misery.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla has this ?
asciilifeform: for what was this one? s/360?
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: lol, that sorta worked.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802309 ☝︎
asciilifeform: !s spreading works
asciilifeform: membrane.
asciilifeform: decimation: sun's type 5. shit keys.
asciilifeform: iirc
asciilifeform: neh, model f was the pc xt keyboard iirtc
asciilifeform: i have one. it is presently gathering dust. no time to do what must be done to it
asciilifeform: (speaking here of the giant 'model m')
asciilifeform: PeterL: that keyboard was intended for 'glass tty' terminals and cannot be used with a modern pc compat. machine without some custom electronics
asciilifeform: PeterL: key with own code
asciilifeform: gernika: i expressed a wish that i had grown up with it, rather than qwerty keyboards.
asciilifeform: gernika: no, i did not actually use it in anger. for some reason i thought this was clear from the article.
asciilifeform: PeterL: no 'esc', no status lights, abominable 'plus sign' arrow keys
asciilifeform: PeterL: nah that's fixable
asciilifeform: gernika: i'll happily part with mine if someone wanted to buy it.
asciilifeform: gernika: there's an rs232 jack but, iirc, it only pisses out a buffered text.
asciilifeform: gernika: 'microwriter' is not so great today. no easy means of getting it to throw output to a computer in real time.
asciilifeform: decimation: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Omnikey102p3248.jpg << that one
asciilifeform: decimation: no.
asciilifeform: see for yourself: http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/Images/1390876.jpg
asciilifeform: ibm made a buckling-spring keyboard which also had this, but it suffered from other deformities.
asciilifeform: not quite as pleasurable as ibm's buckling springs. but the 'northgate' does have the function keys in their properly ordained position.
asciilifeform: 'alps' used leaf springs
asciilifeform: (switches by 'alps', long ago defunct)
asciilifeform: presently i'm not even using a 'model m', but a 'northgate'
asciilifeform: not interested in such experiments.
asciilifeform: that one could, conceivably, experiment with forgoing
asciilifeform: just like wearing clothing, or shitting in a toilet rather than in pants, are also 'mere' habits
asciilifeform: and at this point i don't even care if i'm simply habituated to springs or if there is something 'intrinsic and natural' about spring clicks. i refuse to do without them.
asciilifeform: i seriously doubt that you can get spring feedback from anything other than an actual spring.
asciilifeform: they give an immediate, palpable 'stop moving now'
asciilifeform: !s gorilla arm
asciilifeform: see above
asciilifeform: and the notion of moving fingers without any feedback springs is lunacy
asciilifeform: sweat.
asciilifeform: not so fond of gloves.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. the original 'microwriter.'
asciilifeform: and adjustable tension switches
asciilifeform: ideal device would have rotary jointed finger slots.
asciilifeform: or do they 'click' like mouse.
asciilifeform: can you hear then across a room?
asciilifeform: not hand shaped, no tactile spring switches - do not want.
asciilifeform: gernika: on account of - not ergonomic.
asciilifeform: gernika: nope
asciilifeform: reminds me of... 'The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.' (Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation)
asciilifeform: but that 'removes moral dimension!'
asciilifeform: imbecile isn't even arguing that 'it could wreck existing xyz'
asciilifeform: this is a deeper idiocy
asciilifeform: 'That’s because wiping out the passenger pigeon, the heath hen, the Tasmanian tiger, and so on, as regrettable as these events were, wasn’t the real mistake. It was only the indicator of a deeper moral and cultural malady.'
asciilifeform: ^ idiot luddite hates (so far, theoretical) 'de-extinction' tech because...
asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/12/de_extinction_ethics_why_extinct_species_shouldn_t_be_brought_back.html << another mega-lol from same rag.
asciilifeform: if gonna troll, do it right.
asciilifeform: watson should publicly sink it into the mariana trench, or some other 'black hole'
asciilifeform: decimation: negative
asciilifeform: hence, lengthy queue where otherwise none.
asciilifeform: for instance, where i live, paying with paper money at a filling station requires a human clerk to turn a crank