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Framedragger: now they gonna talk about how one cant measure anything and need phuctor-made superclocks. kk. sure. but this is as accurate as it gets, sir
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624551 << these are actually pretty encouraging as such ☝︎
mircea_popescu: because any arbitrart hash has equal chances to be seen as next hash as any other.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 18:17 asciilifeform: do the arithmetic, it isn't as if anyone can cancel the 'block per 10min' thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 17:16 asciilifeform: the Right Thing would probably be to have a very simple kernel driver that takes a specially-marked disk partition and gives userland trb linear use of it, as plain array
Framedragger hears wind swoosh as goalposts shifted at c velocity
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 17:16 asciilifeform: the Right Thing would probably be to have a very simple kernel driver that takes a specially-marked disk partition and gives userland trb linear use of it, as plain array
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624290 << contiguity is the big problem. perhaps it can be resolved through "alternative starvation', as in, running naught else. but that is liable to run into the genius of "dwim" "modern" linuxhit ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 16:59 asciilifeform: now you store the table as follows: the top 32 bits (e.g., 3ec455a2 from above) are an array index into this table
Framedragger: kk as long as we're clear - i've seen those "but what would happen with 1000s of symlinks in single folder!1" comments so thought that should be tested, etoo.
Framedragger: so here's the thing, if folder depth is increased, the actual numbers of symlinks per directory will be basically ~0, as per those graphs from earlier.
Framedragger: in terms of thread-safety, yes (but not in benchmarking tool as it's not using thread-safe posix functions, but then it's not writing anything, either). however, parallel performance not at all certain.
Framedragger: (fread() was 4k. files are short, with just the number of of 'block' for cross-confirmation and list of 'transactions' as contents.)
asciilifeform: i contemplate it as more of a 'demolition charge', when trbi exists.
asciilifeform: ('visegrip' was/is an american gadget, looks rather like cross between pliers, locking forceps, and plumber's wrench, that was pitches as 'The Right Tool For Every Job' when introduced, some time mid-lastcentury)
asciilifeform: now, 1 more observation, the table scheme described here, can be safely parallelized, for so long as you ensure that the readers are never writing THE same place being elsewhere written.
asciilifeform: for the ultimate variant, where we don't even store 'blocks' as such, but merely sequence of specially-marked tx, you ~will~ need whole disk.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you asked at same time as i .. lol
asciilifeform: i meant 'cheats' that use the machine as-prescribed and save multiple GB.
asciilifeform: but THIS i will leave as an exercise for the reader.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: just as you do not need 366 people in a room for a birthday collision.
asciilifeform: (you could in fact use a repurposed miner, for this, as i understand)
asciilifeform: do the arithmetic, it isn't as if anyone can cancel the 'block per 10min' thing. ☟︎
Framedragger: as to*
Framedragger: there's an assumption as max num of collisions here, of course, but obvs in practical terms it's a very safe assumption...
asciilifeform: (as far as i can see, it is unused code)
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu's suggestion from last night, to dispense with 'blocks' as separate class of object, and simply store sequence of tx, with 'this was in block B' field added -- would work quite well with this scheme.
asciilifeform: so long as we are ok with having to chug through 1023 bytes of 'not here yet!'
Framedragger: as in, disk/partition alignments?
asciilifeform: the Right Thing would probably be to have a very simple kernel driver that takes a specially-marked disk partition and gives userland trb linear use of it, as plain array ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (you may as well stuff it in the kernel, then)
asciilifeform: who the fuck wants trb running as root
Framedragger: this is quite nice, and as you say, seek operation already gives a small chunk which should cover most/all tx for current state of affairs (total number of transactions)...
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hmm, very nice. i suppose it's as close to fixed-length as is possible given current bitcoin
asciilifeform: now you store the table as follows: the top 32 bits (e.g., 3ec455a2 from above) are an array index into this table ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: you gotta log in as shown in the recipe
mircea_popescu: but, as the eternally mentioned bottle well informs : the above has any merit only inasmuch it rankles the subject himself. otherwise it's nothing ; and besides there's many ways to, in brick pollitt's words, "hear that little click"
asciilifeform had a prof in uni who taught systems architecture (cpu design) with itanic as 'what not to do'
mircea_popescu: same as elbrus yes.
mircea_popescu: lasted about as their professional lives did, also.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624146 << alpha was already half-dead when hp swallowed compaq, in '02. iirc compaq shitburied it in '01 and sold all rights to intel, who proclaimed the arch now known as 'itanic' as its replacement. ☝︎☟︎
phf: https://github.com/hanshuebner/vlm/blob/master/alpha-emulator/ifunlist.as#L52 e.g. lisp machine instruction DoAssoc, but the code below, all those BIS, SUBL, SUBQ are alpha instruction set
mod6: a cautionary note to anyone who is going to use my V to press with wires_rev1 (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000251.html), be sure to name the seal as such or it won't get picked up in the flow (in the new, forthcoming version 99994) as such: asciilifeform_wires_rev1.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
mod6: in the spirit of experimentation, it makes sense that one experiment would not necessairly contain the same changes as a different experiment.
mircea_popescu: obviously argentina's ex whore is going to jail as well...
asciilifeform: not so much as a broken shard of babylonian clay pot.
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing as an indian who isn't a total shitbag ?
Framedragger: << (obviously these'd be more useful with actual empirical numbers of average/median seek times, writes, seek/write as things get congested, etc.)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, the fs is a major pile of dubious, as asciilifeform well points out.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623846 <-- fwiw the only way I can see this dependency on Python going anywhere would be if someone makes a sane replacement basically - however, artists need it but won't do it and otherwise people who are able to do it have a huge list of *other* things that need to be done as far as I can see; moreover (and as usual already), the whole steaming pile is deep so I can't even say how much one ☝︎
Framedragger: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771573 << dude runs into weird cups printing issue which creates millions of symlinks in /tmp as side effect (...). side effect of *that* (well, presumably that) is system fails to boot. because of course.
Framedragger: yeah, okay; as long as it's not fixed-width trb-i, no way around this.
asciilifeform: if you gotta actually break compatibility with ext4 and write new kernelspace driver -- may as well design proper (b-tree) fs for trb.
mircea_popescu: not as such, no. but you can wedge it in through, eg, making it commit in batches
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did go and sift through the docs, found 0 mention of write aggregation as an option
Framedragger: instead, it's "just" a matter of having a however-deep directory tree with symlinks as the leaves.
mircea_popescu: ah. no, that is correctly within the limit, as designed we'd have under 8 anyway
trinque: ben_vulpes: people could run as many loggers as they want, written in the simplest manner, and then moved on with our lives
trinque: ben_vulpes: how the hell am I defending myself by using as many filthy whores as possible?
mircea_popescu: that's because you stepped away just as the firehose was going towards 30 lines/minute. you'll be stuck catching up for hours now.
trinque: which is no slight to alf's lady. maybe she takes part in the republic as part of his house.
diana_coman: what is "all that" that you define as vanity?
phf: but i still feel like it was a "waste" in a sense that usually you don't apply same educational methods on battlefield as you do in a lyceum.
Framedragger: re. priorities and (natural) lack of 'global amazing konsensus priority list of shit to do', in my humble and very noob mind they are something like; 'p'; gossipd or partial iteration towards it; invoicing system; << these three'd useful for outside-tmsr interests fo sho; and nfi re. trb, as on the one hand it's supposed to be super important,
mircea_popescu: there's at least ten thousand hooks they could readily, just as soon as they find their words, engage with.
mircea_popescu: i suppose. it'd have to be close to the fundamentals , as it is fundamental.
Framedragger: heh, this is close to entropy (and inequality as 1/entropy)
Framedragger: this works to strengthen the notion that tmsr is apex of importance/awesomeness/etc.; as otherwise one would be exposed to the possibility that "maybe we're not so important here anyway." :)
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at the synchronization of the ladies-behind-the-lords : just as one's sucked in, another's spat out.
mircea_popescu: i don't ask suck things in person, as you well know i'm socially shy. gotta do it from behind kbd.
asciilifeform: but has problems interacting with monkeys as if they were people.
asciilifeform: (they ~might~ come to a pre-set table, as mircea_popescu to bitcoin. ~might~)
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the "i go write trbi" thing is not particularly useful as an exercise in solipsism, herculean or otherwise.
phf: well, i regret spending so much energy on infrastructure, but i saw it as necessary evil. the fact that others had to i see in terms of personal failure at best
mircea_popescu: phf understand the significant costs of p2p syncronization, as just yesterday exemplified in say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622837 ; the electricity bitcoin burns is an investment, in social order. just like the pyamids. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to address the problem (clearly generated by the unfortunate combination of deep imbecility inborn in americans and the deep suicidal streak of the female state as it is), and so what can i say.
asciilifeform: last i looked out the window i was as 'in' the field as one might hope in any nightmare, neh
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:49 mircea_popescu: just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: anyway, irrelevant as it is - currently "bu" is ahead of "segwit" in terms of prbisms.
asciilifeform: 'The PX-1000 is a device capable of transmitting encrypted text messages over telephone lines. We show that the original version that was produced by TextLite implements the DES algorithm correctly. In 1983, when Philips USFA distributed this device as the PX- 1000Cr, the NSA made a deal with Philips USFA to implement an alternative algorithm. For this alternative version we show that it does
phf: it all sort of ties together somehow. and yes, as trinque said, starts with a particular face
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 21:23 asciilifeform: i later learned that v. n. chelomei (famous soviet rocket designer) proposed the placement of atomic bombs near u.s. east costs using a scheme much like this. (official story - it was vetoed as barbaric)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the need to cut apart the hardware of a 50yo defunct company strikes me as batshit insane
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623164 << i missed that. i've reached out to zeptobars people and they are obviously interested in doing the scans as long as i provide the chip and they can post it to their site
mircea_popescu: apparently topless is perfectly acceptable where bitcoin isn't. just as long as letter from department of dorkitude.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623164 << i missed that. i've reached out to zeptobars people and they are obviously interested in doing the scans as long as i provide the chip and they can post it to their site ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 15:32 phf: besides the area is still primed by the british, bene gesserit style, as sahib you will be sought out, as an articulate and educated one you will be retained.
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'white man' -- as in the folx who inhabited phf's india mansion; conceived of reactors, etc -- is ~dead.
asciilifeform: or there would be no such thing as 'kraft flake'
asciilifeform: and say they figure out -- as most large broods in this monkeystan do -- the shortest circuit path -- lolmart.
mircea_popescu: hojo sanemasa does not want this to have been in vain. because, if for no other reason, such as pride, vanity, or social consensus, because he only has a finite count of these. they must be employed efficaciously. what now ?
asciilifeform: 'infinities' are cheques that work ok until they are actually cashed (as per mircea_popescu's old article with the gold mountain)
asciilifeform: as in the classic roman problem, of from what to get loot with which to pay soldiers..?
mircea_popescu: the traditional caliphate, incidentally, exists as a memory today (ie, a cultural mark) and existed historically (ie, as a civilisation) principally, and i do mean that, ~principally~ because an early fellow invented the superb literary device of giving people in payment not just actual value, but caftans! strips of cloth written on! that then they can value to whatever arbitrary value they wish, to offset the absurd valuatio
mircea_popescu: that they're more than willing to hallucinate it in fiction does not of course preclude the actual people stuck with the job of management among the monkeys inventing what best could serve as a palliative.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:50 asciilifeform: as i picture it, a, e.g., mircea_popescu , would apply the only known pill: to create a kind of miniature british raj, where the locals know the consequences of misbehaviour
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't as if mr.t et al were using actual crypto themselves
asciilifeform: as a boy (after moving to usa) i once visited a house of a sikh d00d whom father was working for . he had entire room, shrine.
phf: besides the area is still primed by the british, bene gesserit style, as sahib you will be sought out, as an articulate and educated one you will be retained. ☟︎
phf: but i think the main source of rape is the government, rather then locals as such. can find pretty much anything for local prices, as long as you're in the right place asking the rightk inds of questions