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a111: Logged on 2019-08-16 10:52 mp_en_viaje: let's do some selected testing then.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-16#1929044 to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-16#1929092 ie 48 lines vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929021 to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929066 aka 45 lines. the actual linecount as issued is 48. ☝︎☝︎
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, we also have something asciilifeform will love to hear about : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Use_Areas aka "by deliberate design, unicode can never be correctly displayed"
mp_en_viaje: this then completes our foray into the unpleasant. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: ⎲ ⎳ << check it out, they have large sum!
mp_en_viaje: ℕ ℤ ℚ ℝ hey wtf stylization is this, R for reals is a double bar-r not a double-r-superimposed! and rationals is Q with a single bar left, not two bars left and right. WTF!
mp_en_viaje: U+0426 Ц Cyrillic Capital Letter Tse
mp_en_viaje: U+0236 ȶ 566 Latin Small Letter T with curl
mp_en_viaje: keks even my term chokes on that shit.
mp_en_viaje: let's do some selected testing then. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: i originally thought one actually needs http://www.cp1252.com/ to illustrate the breakage (whence i copied the original lines missing from log above), however this is not actually so.
mp_en_viaje: consider for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BD and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%92 respectively. %C5%BD urldecodes to Ž and %C5%92 urldecides to Š; meanwhile the indicated wiki pages actually described the items originally inserted, the czech letter ( Latin Z with the addition of caron) and the latin letter (o e ligated).
mp_en_viaje: the breakage more extensive than asciilifeform diagnosed.
mp_en_viaje: and of course everyone's favourite from the old days, ¤
mp_en_viaje: anyway, supposedly i should be able to reproduce this, lessee. ×÷√
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:19:29 asciilifeform: why the fuck is this even a good idea ? to support arbitrary liquishit in logs ? imho the Right Thing would be 'if you want yer logs imported or echoed, put'em into utf8 or stuff up arse' .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 20:31:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 15:00:45 BingoBoingo: It amazes me how many "Anti-socialist" alt-alt rags are pointedly NOT highlighting Black American Patriot Maurice Hill as a warrior against the state
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928947 << they're weev-like/yarvin-like femstate cucks, not there for any other purpose than to explain how great the Inca actually is.
mp_en_viaje: pretty fucking epic qntra thursday, wtf! nice BingoBoingo !
mp_en_viaje: dangerz]" ? da fuck happened, treason never prospers because if it prosper we'll just call it coincidence ?
mp_en_viaje: ("oh but mp, it wasn't TRILEMA that opened the floodgates ; they just opened coincidentally". "really bitch ? and back in 2014, when you were supposed to show me your tits, your optionality was pushing you to nonsense arguments like "bitcoin is doomed" and "[http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/?b=Wait%20until&e=TERRORISM#select][mp is in imminent
mp_en_viaje: get ready for a lot more "over usg objections" once Trilema opened the floodgates
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:23:44 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/british-gibraltar-releases-iranian-tanker-over-us-objections/ << Qntra -- British Gibraltar Releases Iranian Tanker Over US Objections
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928944 << aaaite, top keks.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:06:25 mp_en_viaje: All the CP1252 characters are also available in Unicode. For example the CP1252 character 146 that you mentioned (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK) has the Unicode number 8217, therefore you should use this number in order to conform to the HTML standard. Modern HTML browsers like Netscape 4.0 understand Unicode, and will automatically convert the Unicode character &#8217; back into the character 146 on MS-Windows mach
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:05:50 asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally
mp_en_viaje: COMPLETELY the fuck lost in the galaxies & brownie ways witin their own colon
mp_en_viaje: you know i was at club last night, with the only two cunts anyone'd fuckl in the joint, and this moronic twentysomething (groomed beard, of course) sat next to me while one was off getting more drinks to explain to me what his needs were ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 11:14:45 asciilifeform: loox like a schoolboy site of the '90s style ( 'learn haxxing! phreaking!' ) and dusty.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928938 << it exactly is. back in 2014. when what they ~should~have been doing was showing us their tits. and complete with "selling imaginary pets for bitcoin" and assorted "ima bring reality to my level, the alternative's too much work" bullshit.
lobbes: In either case, I'll be spending some time this evening working on genesis-ing my own current #e logotron. If anything just for posterity
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:27:38 asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928982 << I personally dun have any issue with this, but that is just me. Any yeah, not like someone down the line can't make a vpatch for a pill
asciilifeform: btw just as i thought, lobbes's searchtron fails if fed the liquishit in question.
asciilifeform: and if someone wants to write 100,000 lines of shitython to write 'dwim', let him fucking scroll to the bottom of the log page, click 'get source', grab the fucking vtree, and write.
asciilifeform: let the people who smeared the 58 acres of shit on cardboard, stuffed it into their modem, and sent it to fleanode, clean it up.
asciilifeform: grudgingly i built in utf8 so that can say кто ты по жизни and τὰ γὰρ ὀψώνια τῆς ἁμαρτίας θάνατος etc. but , for all that has been said re utf8, it is at least supported by postgres . whereas i am not about to spend rest of life trying to write 'dwim ai' to eat erry possible microshit encoding that someone may have at whatever point excreted .
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
asciilifeform: there exist, incidentally, at least a dozen liquishit encodings that aint either ascii or utf8. and SOMEBODY's terminal supports'em. but imho the fact that fleanode actually eats and relays these, is a bug! of fleanode.
asciilifeform: and whoever doesn't like it, can write own logger. and if mp_en_viaje wants to tear off my epaulettes and make own logger in cobol, he can.
asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.
asciilifeform: 'I mean literally, the guy's from Washitistan, they write things with their own excrement there, and the Unicode Foundation introduced actual excrement in the standard so now whenever someone asks for the networking code in your project they are delivered physical faeces on cardboard. About fifty eight acres of it. Where would you like this put, sir ?' (tm)(r)(mp)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:16:03 asciilifeform: ~pasting~ e.g. '2000000 ÷ (154 × 1088 × 1.25) = 9.549274255x' dun trigger the barfolade, btw. cuz on civilized box, lobbes's txt is ALREADY utf8 when yer viewing it. only triggering lobbes's echo , where it pisses the malcoded garbage straight into irc, triggers.
asciilifeform: why the fuck is this even a good idea ? to support arbitrary liquishit in logs ? imho the Right Thing would be 'if you want yer logs imported or echoed, put'em into utf8 or stuff up arse' .
asciilifeform: ~pasting~ e.g. '2000000 ÷ (154 × 1088 × 1.25) = 9.549274255x' dun trigger the barfolade, btw. cuz on civilized box, lobbes's txt is ALREADY utf8 when yer viewing it. only triggering lobbes's echo , where it pisses the malcoded garbage straight into irc, triggers.
asciilifeform burned entire evening on this, and is no closer to a ~lead~ to a solution (not even speaking of actual solution) than before.
asciilifeform: before anyone suggests 'store'em in pg as bins, not text' -- nope, cuz you can't index for text search on bins
asciilifeform: infuriating liquishit, this entire stack.
asciilifeform: or, moreover, whythefuck pg even gives half a shit re how the txt is encoded.
asciilifeform: or for that matter why a x = foo.decode('latin-1') even can result in a x that later chokes pg when x.encode('utf-8') is put into a sqlism
asciilifeform: atm it aint even clear to asciilifeform that it is possible to store >1 encoding in a given pg
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 07:42:01 phf: i even explain how to do it in python http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546421
asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:06:22 asciilifeform: lobbes: would it be difficult to park lobbesbot temporarily in #asciilifeform-test ?
BingoBoingo: Kinda why Dependapotomi pick the targets they do.
BingoBoingo: It's also not like the wounded don't get disability pensions, often concurrent with ongoing paycheck.
asciilifeform: previous newswanks suggest that they can.
BingoBoingo: Can Philadelphia cops afford marriage while living to leave widows?
asciilifeform: tru. ( tho iirc they get widow pensions, etc. also adding up to pretty penny )
BingoBoingo: Also the dead don't need 100 USD aspirins etc
BingoBoingo: Well, wounded more expensive than the dead
asciilifeform: whoknows, maybe ashamed, fella apparently not master marksman, all the targets lived ?
BingoBoingo: It amazes me how many "Anti-socialist" alt-alt rags are pointedly NOT highlighting Black American Patriot Maurice Hill as a warrior against the state
asciilifeform: lol!! sumbody give this fella 'order of lenin'
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/six-cops-attempting-to-invade-philadelphia-home-shot-by-lone-defender/ << Qntra -- Six Cops Attempting To Invade Philadelphia Home Shot By Lone Defender
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/british-gibraltar-releases-iranian-tanker-over-us-objections/ << Qntra -- British Gibraltar Releases Iranian Tanker Over US Objections
asciilifeform: lobbes: would it be difficult to park lobbesbot temporarily in #asciilifeform-test ?
asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 12:11:56 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000191 That was a disgustingly fleshed out, but weirdly instructive story which made me laugh (a bit) and cringe (a lot). I'm not sure if I'll eat anything for awhile, but I get what you meant. That being said, - I can't think of any non-docker solution to a reproducible environment other than creating a 'frozen version', preferably under version
asciilifeform: lemme guess, it came to mp_en_viaje in a spam ?
asciilifeform: loox like a schoolboy site of the '90s style ( 'learn haxxing! phreaking!' ) and dusty.
mp_en_viaje: lmao tards.
mp_en_viaje: i might end up discovering you cut too much, but what's the big deal, original still remains, can be easily fixed, and we learn thingsfor the money.
mp_en_viaje: billymg, works. amusingly enough, as far as i currently know that list is ~completr~. can use it to cut against!
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928713 << gave it a quick read, this should be enough for me to continue with writing the tests. i might have questions later as i make progress, will leave comments on the post if so
lobbes: asciilifeform: if it helps, here is the full hexdump of the problem #e indicies
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-birth-order-are-first-borns-always-older-than-their-siblings-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Birth Order: Are First Borns Always Older Than Their Siblings? Adnotated.
asciilifeform: iirc there's leaked sores
mp_en_viaje: obviously, trivial to make a fake nude app. anyone wanna ?
asciilifeform assumed, tho never found out, that then 70 spent on sofas.
mp_en_viaje: imagine that lulz. and they got... a lamp.
asciilifeform once listened to a d00d, who, with straight face, 'we then got $100m in series-a fund; but of course immediately 30 had to spend on web site..'
asciilifeform: as in 'unflatt. truth', aha
snsabot: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:54:14 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i distinctly recall that it in fact is 1 of those 'indian coad' wwws that randomly drops db commits
mp_en_viaje: that;s the other thign re tumblr : it likely costs 1-2mn/month to run as it is. could prolly be ran for 1-200k, but as you point out, not by esltards.
mp_en_viaje: all the usg webshits are exercises in http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/#comment-130435
asciilifeform: + even possible that the best financial health it was ever in, was '07, when all it owed was 4figs to old man graham
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'oldcunt lobby' prolly Officially holds that gurlz 'peak' at 55. they can apply their standard, i can apply other.
asciilifeform missed -- peak. didn't get dirty hands in till '93...
asciilifeform: aaha, from my pov. when it was a hand-sewn www forum for 20 or so commonlisp holdouts 'who didn't know the war ended'(tm)
mp_en_viaje: this is like saying internet peaked in 1992. sure, by any other criterion than whatever they actually use.
asciilifeform: ( of readability, rather than mass )
asciilifeform: iirc it even existed, in embryonic form, then
mp_en_viaje: well, reddit couldn't have emptied at same time as it ~didn't exist back then. but still, they did their best and 2012ish or so i think it was ?
asciilifeform: vintage lul re subj of the demolition wank
mp_en_viaje: reddit emptied out once they turned on their pedo constituency to gain approval from the oldcunt lobby.
asciilifeform: hm i thought 'digg' mostly emptied out in the infamous 'decss incident'
BingoBoingo: They charge ~100 bucks a year for "use own domain with wordpress.com blog" or something like that