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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: like there's no problem in saying that a lot of wealth in South Africa still lies in the hands of whites by virtue of being born into privilege and so on, this is a known thing and it is spoken about and there are policies that are trying to correct this by providing an easier route to good education for the less fortunate and so on
mircea_popescu: how about any aggrressive ==== his head on a pike.
RebeccaBitcoin: although not a fan of the philosophical democracy one
pete_dushenski: it single-handedly got me a rating comment of "pimp" after all
fluffypony: eg. your grandfather had no education and so lived in poverty, thus your father had no education and lived in poverty, and now you finally have an opportunity to get a reasonable education and can pull yourself out of poverty, but there are decades that must elapse before it's more "balanced"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you know that strikes me as a very charitable read.
pete_dushenski: a ok
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pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: i read the logs. have you read http://contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/ ?
RebeccaBitcoin: what is a contravex
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: South African expats are literally the worst, they're a running joke on the /r/southafrica sub-reddit
mircea_popescu: so how is a one party arrangement an improvement ?
fluffypony: so to remove him all you have to do is have a change of hands within the party
RebeccaBitcoin: I've heard from others that it is "continuing to go downhill" but that's based on a limited number of people, mostly from cape town
RebeccaBitcoin: I don't know enough about it to really have a valid opinion
mircea_popescu: under your criteria, specifically, a lot of foreign investment
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> decimation: nope - too many overseas companies with skin in the game, they won't let a despot ruin their income ;) <<< this is at best naive.
fluffypony: decimation: nope - too many overseas companies with skin in the game, they won't let a despot ruin their income ;)
RebeccaBitcoin: You think South Africa is getting better as a whole?
fluffypony: by old-school I mean that a lot of the older ones especially struggle to shed the ingrained views that Apartheid taught them
mircea_popescu: is pretoria like a sort of pennsylvania, amish et all ?
decimation: Why wouldn't pretoria be a nice place if it's old-school Afrikaans?
fluffypony: yeah, the building ownership thing was a fuckup
fluffypony: we used to go up there when I was a kid
RebeccaBitcoin: I went there a few years ago and wtf
mircea_popescu: i mean all the sympathy for them people being surrounded by a bunch of arab derpage, which they consistently own bareback.
decimation: well, going down this road would be a good first step
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: Then I should put both in a fire >>> http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff/
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decimation: http://theden.tv/2014/08/05/a-cashless-society-in-the-world-of-fiat/ Israel wants to outlaw cash... so only outlaws use cash
Vexual: what about a gps inside that only sees the sun if the crack it with one of those doorknocker things that jerusalem has
RebeccaBitcoin: under the safe is a horrible idea
RebeccaBitcoin: then put your wads of cash in a hidden place
RebeccaBitcoin: like buy a known safe and put nothing in it
Vexual: like buy a known safe, and move the intenals?
RebeccaBitcoin: someone types it in, then a few mins later, take the thermal image
decimation: a keypad seems like a terrible design for sensitive data entry
asciilifeform: decimation: a very peculiar golden toilet. handle turns generator.
decimation: http://www.fedsafes.com/X-09_locks.php << asciilifeform note USG uses electric locks... with a dial
ben_vulpes: RebeccaBitcoin: you gotta get a real client, for starters.
asciilifeform: novice can be considered 'graduated' and teachable, e.g. actual maths, when she stops saying 'safe' except to refer to a heavy metal box
mircea_popescu: fluffypony im a jack of all trades
asciilifeform: but, other fact, question of what was actually served up to you when you browse the site on a particular occasion.
RebeccaBitcoin: Before this conversation got out of hand, i was mainly referring to the ability of this site to generate a random wallet. I've read before that mouse entropy is crap. While there are 2892383289 ^298289 possible private keys for Bitcoin, a wallet like this might be much more limited. As such, a system like this might only be capable of generating a
decimation: heh yeah well we need to find a sufficiently rich prince
ben_vulpes: there's a saying
asciilifeform: 1) find a chicken.
RebeccaBitcoin: set up a bot to monitor the balances of the private keys
RebeccaBitcoin: on a different domain
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: then you learn another useful lesson - what a professional machinist charges.
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: if you were to set to it, how long would it take you to build a small two-cycle petrol engine?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu is a cracker now?
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: so attacker could move from mother's basement into a palace, were he to sell the attack to a higher bidder, vs. your 10 merely moves him to a new flat.
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: if you put 10 BTC in a wallet and posted about it on Reddit and some netsec mailing lists and gave it 90 days that would be a concrete test
RebeccaBitcoin: if I put money in a wallet
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: will it get stolen within 90 days << this is an uncommonly poor tactic (yes, popular in the 'computer insecurity' business, but it sucks still) - would you test, say, a door lock this way?
decimation: if you can't find the source of the javascript on your webpage you are in a world of hurt
asciilifeform: exercise for student (or bored person of any other species) - log a typical 'mouse wiggle' session; fit to curves (your choice.)
RebeccaBitcoin: Safe = If I put 10btc in a wallet and post the public key here, will it get stolen within 90 days
decimation: rebeccabitcoin nothing that runs on a von neumann machine connected to the internet using unaudited untrusted firmware is safe
RebeccaBitcoin: Obviously you're completely misreading this. Anthony is a little dweeb.
decimation: yes, you put a n00b who failed landing 101 in the cockpit, how did that happen?
Vexual: you wouldn't discard a printer
fluffypony: Electrum isn't cold storage, it's a hot wallet to use every day
RebeccaBitcoin: I'm not a retard, my cold storage is safe
asciilifeform: in oil prospecting, salvage diving, etc. there is a concept where safety measures that the crew will not follow because they 'seen ridiculous' - are useless ☟︎
decimation: to do a proper job would require thousands of good man hours, which you can't afford
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: again - for ordinary users you simply need something that is completely under your control, and for your purposes Electrum is fine. It is small and lightweight, it doesn't download the full blockchain (about 20mb in downloads is all it needs thus far), and it has a 12 word mnemonic you write down to backup your wallet. It's literally all I need.
asciilifeform: nerd safe = the type of people who print a paper wallet then toss the printer << this subject is worth exploring at length
cazalla: RebeccaBitcoin, you bought ether, correct? theft is not a concern if you're giving your bitcoins away
RebeccaBitcoin: "If I compile the php script and then reconcile it with a mysql database, then reconfigure it to your home computer's settings I can find your brain wallet"
RebeccaBitcoin: argh, now this is a typical nerd debate.
mircea_popescu: like a layer of meh on top of urandom's meh.
peterl: does having a python script generate a bunch of random dice rolls count as rolling dice?
mircea_popescu: (seriously tho, here's a good approach : make your dices out of ice. they will melt, yes, and not be even, yes.
RebeccaBitcoin: if I put 10 bitcoin in a wallet there
fluffypony: well I guess the title of the site is a giveaway
RebeccaBitcoin: He's rocking a skullet
RebeccaBitcoin: to the earlier question, no, I'm not going to write a scathing review
fluffypony: a web wallet is not that middle ground
fluffypony: there's a middle ground between paranoid and convenient
RebeccaBitcoin: its not a meaningless distinction. Someone told me yesterday that to make a paper wallet I should use a new laptpo, and a new printer, then I should take both and destroy them. Then I should put both in a fire
peterl: is it a risk to advertise which type of wallet you use?
fluffypony: I'm a nerd, I use Electrum
ben_vulpes: no. it's a meaningless distinction.
RebeccaBitcoin: so nerd safe = the type of people who print a paper wallet then toss the printer over niagara fallls
ben_vulpes: up up down down right a b bitcoin!
ben_vulpes: i mean it said "okay!" after a hilariously short period of time.
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: is your aim to have a Bitcoin wallet so you can send and receive Bitcoin, or is your aim to write a scathing review?
fluffypony: from an entropy perspective it's a perfectly viable aspect
RebeccaBitcoin: as a method of generating entropy or whatever
RebeccaBitcoin: a few seconds later, tada you have a wallet
RebeccaBitcoin: to make a instant web based wallet you move your mouse around
Vexual: i dunno, one might ace the poop outta one sememster and let a good load of stuff done
mircea_popescu: takes a while neh ?
decimation: dc is a swamp though, so I'm sure you will collect a variety of fauna
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'bug zapper' on my balcony doesn't bring in 10 bux a day either. only bug parts. and yet i'm happy with it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure. meanwhile 9x% of all internet websites do not make 10 bux a day
asciilifeform: also brings to mind another topic that never quite comes up - that 'cost of living' is not really a complete picture of things
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