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shinohai: /me waves to mod6 o/
mod6: why would any one care who feeds what to a street-cat?
mod6: btw, i wanted to note that hanbot v. random .ar derp would have been an awesome battle to watch.
mircea_popescu: #lisp is more fucken dead than #bitcoin-otc ffs.
mod6: they're out there.
phf: which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry) ☟︎
phf: if you visit mit's open courseware, first link is on "Gender & Media: Collaborations in Feminism and Technology"
mircea_popescu: lol check that out alf, FUCKGOATS reselling as collector itamz lel
mircea_popescu: anger's from the blood. what he's got, it's definitely bile.
phf: hmm, i thought russian disdain is usually a lot colder, refined. sort of like nabokov talking about what make lolita appealing to the american public.
phf: all that meat's what making you so angry
mircea_popescu: (nyef = alistair bridgewater, from the pw:rn subdirectorate of intel)
mircea_popescu: phf that shitty "lisphacker.com" thing that spits the most obnoxious errors, really bitch, "no such key" ?
asciilifeform: poor sad nonvtronic patch. go and try to find WHAT he patched.
mircea_popescu: http://log.irc.tymoon.eu/freenode/lisp?from=2015-12-20T19 << there's a log, insanely shitty with too much js to run, but i think it may go back usefully.
phf: he used to have a top level domain with artifacts that he was producing. txt files of notes, diffs for sbcl etc
mircea_popescu: they should hang kids in jr high by their ballsac until they learn to blog every day.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why it has to come in scattered 2 page text files
asciilifeform: jurov: i am interested strictly in the record re the relevant bits.
asciilifeform: jurov: they may also have gone to the bottle, for all i care
jurov: asciilifeform: i think these somebodies went on to make their own lisp dialect, using python build system or jvm or llvm or somesuch
mircea_popescu: for one thing who are the people there even ?
asciilifeform: ~somebody~ has to have 1) attempted this 2) not burned all of his work in fireplace in disillusioned despair
phf: actually i should probably track his notes down, but it might be easier to just ask him
mircea_popescu: was this in #lisp ?
phf: "<nyef> (Speaking as someone who wrote his own standalone Forth and then used it to load a stripped-down hacked SBCL core on bare metal x86.)"
mircea_popescu: phf was abortive experiment in eulora too.
asciilifeform: phf: this is theoretically solvable. but it's a c proggy.
phf: so far only person who wrote anything for tinyscheme is myself, and tinyscheme is more of a PoC than anything else. bignums for example were ~unreasonably~ expensive
mircea_popescu: ahahah. so "in point of fact tinyscheme doesn't"
mircea_popescu: i don't recall, what was the objection to tinyscheme as the root ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in point of fact, tinyscheme does.
mircea_popescu: you will not "whittled down to 'get char', 'put char', 'malloc'"
asciilifeform: you can do actual work this way.
asciilifeform: boot sector loads a few 100 kB of hand-rolled code, and talks solely via uart.
phf: i'm pretty sure he was doing around the same time as you were doing loper, so i'm surprised you haven't seen it. i think he might've been doing it under TUNES umbrella
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it exists, i have run number crunching routines this way.
phf: asciilifeform: there are text files (he makes adequate technical logs of most of his efforts. i'm using his notes to recreate arm port for cmucl), but i won't be able to find them at the moment (i'm not on my main machine)
asciilifeform: it's enough to operate a very basic comp.
mircea_popescu: the problem with "string" isn't there just to fuck with mp's ai bot.
asciilifeform: you can lose dma if you're willing to lose nic and video.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i wanted to establish was the ~whynot~
asciilifeform: phf: is this experiment documented somewhere?
mircea_popescu: but they can't.
phf: nyef actually spent a lot of effort trying to put sbcl on raw hardware, and he's a competent hacker (he also did sbcl port to arm for example)
asciilifeform: aaaactually if sbcl, cmucl, or whichever lisptron, could be whittled down to 'get char', 'put char', 'malloc' -- could be on iron tonight.
asciilifeform: (sbcl runs well today precisely because it is 'sharpened' for linux)
asciilifeform: which is ~unsuitable for 'metallization', see today's earlier thread.
mircea_popescu: honeslty, should probably go with whatever either phf used to run btcbase or ben_vulpes used to run candi.
asciilifeform: in fact we had the thread!!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:57 mircea_popescu: how can you lot put up with these idiots ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:43 adlai: this is funny: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/cmucl-build/00_README but this is funnier: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/doc/crosscompile.html
ben_vulpes: i was certain that we'd done the 'omg cmucl compilation' lolz thread before; is this a time loop? where are picard and riker
asciilifeform: http://www.ljosa.com/~ljosa/doc/encycmuclopedia/devenv/README-build-instructions.txt << phf if this is current, then i am officially cured of all desire to have anything to do with the thing
ben_vulpes: dog if that's a jet fighter i'm the ceo of apple
asciilifeform: is the idea 'read the code for a month and then MAYBE you will realize in what order to build'
asciilifeform: phf (or anybody else?) -- dare i ask, how the fuck does one BUILD IT
asciilifeform: ^ save.c. this looks terrifying.
asciilifeform: * but it will often cause CMUCL to fail to save a new core file.
asciilifeform: * I do not know what this object should be or how it got there,
asciilifeform: * objects created by the C runtime. However, there is an
asciilifeform: * pointing to a free page, because these are newly allocated
asciilifeform: * usage, at startup there should be 4 objects in static space
asciilifeform: * object pointing to an object that is on a free page. In normal
asciilifeform: * happening is that when a core is loaded, there is some static
asciilifeform: * have not been able to figure out how that occurs, but what is
asciilifeform: y'know, this is how folx end up on a scaffold with mircea_popescu pissing down their neckstump
phf: well, that's my favorite one https://www.cons.org/cmucl/doc/crosscompile.html
asciilifeform: if the motherfucker cannot be BUILT without whole day of reverse-engineering
asciilifeform: why the fuck even bother with having the other docs
asciilifeform: srsly, all 4 links under the 'Developer info' category, are duds
asciilifeform: this thing makes ~my~ horrors look well-documented.
asciilifeform: phf: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/doc/ << lulzy, ALL of the building instructions for cmucl -- 404 !!
shinohai: To me appears most of hull is cloth stretched over a frame, or are those wrinkles?
asciilifeform: ukr: 'our archaeologists have turned up no wires...'
asciilifeform: interviewer: 'what's the proof'
asciilifeform: (d00d ~does~ offer a schematic for 'keyboard and vga' using modern micro, at the end of the page, though)
shinohai: Perhaps of interest to mats http://www.ibtimes.co.in/iraq-retreating-isis-leaves-behind-unfinished-fighter-jet-mosul-712914
asciilifeform: (my log tail looks quite like thestringpuller's paste)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is NSA-TRB down? started up an old node to sync... and get: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6m3GH/?raw=true
asciilifeform: and i can see why they do it, even buying ~one~, e.g., UART, today, is not easy
phf: i didn't know what stm32 was, i thought it was some PIC variation
asciilifeform: folx keep makin' these nonsense abortions.
asciilifeform: phf: aha. the z80 is ~decorative on such a box.
phf: well, it's a lispm kind of architecture, with a single central controller, and extension boards of various degrees of dirty. though i guess the real "core" here is the opaque STM32
asciilifeform: phf et al: actually this is example of TERRIBLE 'retrocomp' design
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/cool-it-carol/ << Trilema - Cool it, Carol!
phf: it uses the word "modern" a lot, but from cursory glance it doesn't look insane
ben_vulpes: for pete_dushenski on the topic of studded bike tires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5IYSrLFUY
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, like cs for thinking people.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/tim-draper-theranos-targeted-by-conspiracy/ << Qntra - Tim Draper: Theranos Targeted By "Conspiracy"
trinque: one can see what was useful in the experiment and not get fixated on the particular implementation
trinque: and aside all other bullshit uses of "social coding", that ~was~
trinque: it made an arena. good people like those.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605315 << yet shouldn't be overlooked that several folks came to play immediately when there was a shared repl available ☝︎
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu ends up with DShK shells in pockets when comes back from roof.
mircea_popescu: i guess i haven't worn these since i was last on roof.
mircea_popescu: "i'm so terrifying of talking to that cute wallflower i'ma revolutionize the $name like $name for $name instead!11"
mircea_popescu: dude... just get everyone to show up saturday night already, nevermind this dumb shit. buy some wine.
mircea_popescu: "i'll get everyone to do X!"