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jurov: anything NOT "marked as a mortally dangerous
thing"
jurov: asciilifeform: will
there ever be a "works as described, use in production" item in
this vein?
thestringpuller: ^- for
the Seinfeld fans, but
they probably already know. (I was happily surprised).
trinque: but as I see it,
the statement was made adequately
trinque: we also agree on
the necessity of being able
to make
that statement
trinque: semi-relatedly, deedbot will be catching up on blocks for a bit
this morning. I shut it down earlier
to move old db files
to a slower drive.
jhvh1: thestringpuller: It's not just you. danielpbarron.com/ appears
to be down.
trinque: I have seen
this in every company I worked for in earlier years. guy grabs some open source
turd,
then when it breaks he cries "not my fault! just found it!"
trinque: what is concerning is importing
the github open source mentality of "not own code, not my fault"
trinque: as whether anyone wants
to sign
trinque: asciilifeform: seems
the problem
there has as much
to do with
the fact
that a gentleman would have
to dedicate a very large part of his life
to making further, sweeping improvements
to
the
trb codebase
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 13:52 adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be
the first
to see a useful
turd, if one should drop. until
then, radio silence.
trinque: reactor 99947 vaporized
the king upon inspection. who's asking
the engineer what his rationale was?
☟︎ trinque: which doesn't obligate anyone
to accept
their narrowing, either
trinque: scope starts from
the broadest possible assertion of "this is, so help me god" and only narrows if somebody says
trinque: example as it pertains
to
the history.txt ?
trinque: and
then when I shit, nobody seals my patch, and eventually I'm known as a floor shitter, and nobody regards my seal
trinque: where is it enforced
that WoT ratings mean what
they do, other
than in
the minds of
thinking men
trinque: conventions in society are just
that; nothing protocolic prevents me from shitting on
the floor
trinque: room for as much rationale and backstory
there as is required
trinque: what comes
to mind
there is a long scroll within
the project
trinque: I don't dispute
the need of
the record
trinque: only if someone were blindly applying patches if sealed, and blindly respecting ratings without regard
to real relationship, would
there be a problem.
trinque: and in
those cases I don't
think any sane person faults him when
the patient dies
trinque: ultimately
the surgeon does
take full responsibility for
the life of
the patient, even when
the patient is 99% likely
to bleed out
trinque: we're discussing what's currently in a v-tree,
though
trinque: there is a risk in giving
them any place at all
trinque: I understood it, but
then we are after diminishing
the standing of cows in
the world
trinque: there is
the
tulpa garden of horrors, and
then
there is
the "everyone perpetually avoids blame" one
trinque: could always leave an expository comment in a file in your patch, but I don't know
that it holds
that "found item" is less
the v-author's fault
trinque: if you bring i.e.
tinyscheme into a v-tree, is it not your cross
to bear?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 12:06
trinque: beyond
that, what kind of dishonest hanno shitbag would negrate you for an item you clearly picked up in
the forest, and if he doesn't know you well enough
to know what your work looks like, has no business rating you.
adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be
the first
to see a useful
turd, if one should drop. until
then, radio silence.
☟︎ adlai is not a
teetotaler in most fields, despite
the expulpated exhortations.
☟︎ adlai: the ready solution being
to drink more (of
the right fluids),
talk less (of
the wasted-breath variety), and maybe not as much in mircea's direction.
adlai doesn't drink much anymore, but apparently mircea can still smell
the solvent, like a satisfied homeopathic patient
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 07:07 mircea_popescu:
To be clear re ^ : dude's been
trying
to attack
the republic for over a year by now
through
the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and
this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up
thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't.
davout: "l'avenir appartient à ceux qui se lèvent
tôt"
☟︎ trinque: Framedragger: I like
to start working when
the other fleshy meatsacks are
turned off
trinque: beyond
that, what kind of dishonest hanno shitbag would negrate you for an item you clearly picked up in
the forest, and if he doesn't know you well enough
to know what your work looks like, has no business rating you.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:25 asciilifeform: if
there is literally no way
to memorialize
the fact
that i
took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather
than wrote it personally -- said item will have
to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does
the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child')
Framedragger: a fine morning
to yourself! i see you rise early
trinque: dutchies just wishing
they were invited
to
the NSA, GHQ, BND party
☟︎ Framedragger: i suppose
this
ties into
the "view WoT rating as a representation of degree of certainty" approach, aha.
mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied in my mental representation of
the fellow and won't be changing it.
that's another name for certainty.
Framedragger: anyway, maybe one day someone will elucidate me why -10 ratings is a
thing for humans who have done a magicaltux
Framedragger: i'm like
that (useless)
teacher in kobo abe's "woman in
the dunes", walking around
the desert and examining bugs :) one day i'll fall into a pit which houses a house and a woman, and i won't want
to get out
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, it's quite unclear
to me
that gossipd need be related
to
this other
thing
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, you've... not exactly learned a lot, but actually examined a lot in
the past few months huh!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i suppose so, at least
the latest concept iteration as developed in
the comments
mircea_popescu: truth be
told it's not directly clear
there's not actually a future for both insta and letter models (ie, irc and webforums, for instance, or phone calls AND mailing lists/bbsen) irrespective of historical poor implementation.
Framedragger: but
the originally conceived idea of a site which serves 'smart' JS which does pgp must be disposed of. i even looked into
the state of
the art in pinning (say, JS) web resources in html5 so
the browser can be sure it's being served
the same stuff, but it's ~undoable because
the whole browserstack is rotten (and obvs JS doubly so)
Framedragger: but
the
thing *could* be developed orthogonally
to gossipd's efforts, which is nice.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 20:55 asciilifeform: wtf is
the point of making umpteenth centralized arsebook.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha fucktards at ietf actually put 451 into
their forked version of
the internet standard.
mircea_popescu: Let it be plainly stated
that you
treat
this sort of subhuman scum as if it were a person at your own peril. It won't benefit by your sacrifice ; you will sooner or later end up in
the sad position of discovering you no longer have a soul.
mircea_popescu: To be clear re ^ : dude's been
trying
to attack
the republic for over a year by now
through
the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and
this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up
thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't.
☟︎ deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of adlai from 1
to -10 << Deliberately useless idiot.
adlai: the bug is calling it a 'root', it's actually a leaf.
the "root" of
the relevant patch
tree is
the node you're
trying
to press.
the "second root" which makes less sense (but should still not eggog) is "press
two nodes"