asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998303 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is a point for later << that's a point from last night

asciilifeform: but again, these are the -other- orphans.

asciilifeform: requires keeping track of a certain quantity of non-longest.

asciilifeform: the whole process for learning which the 'longest discoverable' is

asciilifeform: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=street+pizza&defid=6660692

asciilifeform: street pizza.

asciilifeform: my understanding is that the demented name confusion came about because originally these were handled using the same routines.

asciilifeform: see last night's thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998265 ☝︎

asciilifeform: PeterL: also these are not the same orphans!

asciilifeform: where's this

asciilifeform: zombie may even envy the dead.

asciilifeform: them's chumpers.

asciilifeform: except that no one does honest scientific collaboration 'to get rich' specifically.

asciilifeform: arbeit macht frei.

asciilifeform: sc4mz0r1ng? promises riches, at least to the foolish

asciilifeform: i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase <<< not only sloth, but avarice, is involved. nobody gets rich from honestly fixing satoshi's bugs

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that was cribbed almost wholesale from evil bitcoind

asciilifeform: fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving << 'dog barks, caravan moves'

asciilifeform: why not 'buy' whole planet. what, not enough ink in printer ?

asciilifeform: placed on www for the record.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes ^ turd from last night's thread

asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html

asciilifeform: herons don't crash.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this worked at all well, it'd be synched by now.

asciilifeform: so very much luck of the draw.

asciilifeform: it's connected to the wild net (as opposed to existing node, which would be a more deterministic, if less realistic, test)

asciilifeform: !s oomkill

asciilifeform: PeterL: in the sense of being switched on - yes

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: 185063.

asciilifeform: if converges >>> then just as mircea_popescu said.

asciilifeform to bed

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grinder is grinding.

asciilifeform: (negotiate torrent-like loader, if can do - do; if cannot - fallback to classic)

asciilifeform: block downloading is almost certainly fated to be 'embraced and extended' by a sane implementation

asciilifeform: then picks another.

asciilifeform: and snarfs from him, until it doesn't

asciilifeform: instead, it locks onto one particular peer

asciilifeform: if you recall, bitcoin is not 'bittorrent' and does not make use of the multitude of nodes known to it at a given moment for fetching the blockchain

asciilifeform: varies.

asciilifeform: right now, ~45 sec. / block

asciilifeform: (present height - 183172)

asciilifeform: approx. every 20 min.

asciilifeform: (and slowly grinds to a halt prior to doing so)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu appears to favour releasing the thing sitting now on my desk - a 0.5.3.1 that continuously reboots

asciilifeform: (mike_c tried it)

asciilifeform: if you discard all of them - never syncs.

asciilifeform: i backported it. horrendous ugly.

asciilifeform: did not like mathematics.

asciilifeform: mr s. did not know 'gossip protocol'. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i.e. nodes barf blocks at one another without any real logic

asciilifeform: 'inv'

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: if disk is involved he can now have you grind to a permanent halt

asciilifeform: and if, presently, 'burst' just means oomkill,

asciilifeform: dr. evil can come and feed you until you burst.

asciilifeform: lacking an antecedent

asciilifeform: since by definition there is no way to verify these blocks

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you store these, anywhere, you set yourself up for shitburial

asciilifeform: merely toilet that is never flushed, but continuously shat in

asciilifeform: so it isn't a memory leak in the traditional sense

asciilifeform: thus it is doomed to die after snarfing up sufficiently many of these.

asciilifeform: never, ever (a)

asciilifeform: classical bitcoind is all (b) and no (a)

asciilifeform: you can't do anything with them, except a) discard b) store in hope of gluing the chain together later

asciilifeform: *ancestor

asciilifeform: that is, anything that sails in for which you don't have an immediate ancestory

asciilifeform: they are simply blocks received hopelessly out of order

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition ☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998077 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the wretch was ordered to use only systems fully compatible with traditional usg spyware used on such occasions

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: implicit.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgs. 4-5

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha.

asciilifeform: identifiable crock o'shit; arguably an advance over the entirely enigmatic sort

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: the one takeaway is that the cause of oomkill damnation in 0.5.3 can no longer be regarded as mysterious

asciilifeform: see log.

asciilifeform: feeling very much dirtied by the dirt

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes!

asciilifeform: more of a 'good cop / bad cop' symbiosis b/w king and next level of org chart down

asciilifeform: but the basic dread of the state, by peasant, is similar

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: worked beautifully

asciilifeform: or, ivan iv, with cauldrons/oil

asciilifeform: the khan rides from town to town, has squad in tow with stake

asciilifeform: what of ancient despotisms, with the public impaler, etc. - did not want to be at the stellar configuration center ?

asciilifeform: this is a very sharp observation, but is it unique to the modern state?

asciilifeform: *threat

asciilifeform: -credible- thread.

asciilifeform: 2nd box came finally.

asciilifeform: yes

asciilifeform puts the traditional turd back on

asciilifeform: 750 was a bit much.

asciilifeform: haha, it finally croaked

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: the 'naturally-occurring' nodes supply most of the wind

asciilifeform: 12 dollars for a box that can be driven off the net by blowing on it