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asciilifeform: but nfi if there will be result.
asciilifeform: i will attempt capacitor replacement, after the new board is up
asciilifeform: a top-notch (i.e. 1000+ usd in early 2000s) mobo lasts about 10y. i determined, experimentally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform /me is building a new palace, bought out all the things!!11
asciilifeform: soon to be ==none.
mircea_popescu: computing is a ~dead discipline in this regard.
asciilifeform: ~none to be had for any price.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was just the other day sweating, to source a multi-cpu+ecc opteron board with >1 16-lane pcie.
mircea_popescu: ie, it'll never be the case that it makes sense to get newer. let alone that you'd want to.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made.
mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that if one keeps the named hardware ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 convo) or their preferred equivalents that one will have no serious problems for the foreseable future. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is not exactly true, i'm booting 3.x on all sorts of late 1990s things
asciilifeform: the question of 'which 3.x' is intimately tied to the hardware gnarl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the common trunk ~is emacs per se~
mircea_popescu: it'd be saner to have a common trunk which people change than to have to reinvent the wheel each trime a new person fires up a new emacs.
asciilifeform: i will sooner put on another d00d's eyeglasses than use a stock emacs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure that's such a healthy thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3.x linux kernel; gcc 4.9; musltronic toolchain; emacs 24; trb; v; gpg 1.4+rngpatch+timingleakpatch .
asciilifeform: but it is another matter to actually walk the logs, and do the heavy lifting.
asciilifeform: at this point we know, i suspect, all of it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, before there's what to bake on that cd, we gotta resolve the "tmsr package".
asciilifeform: gcc has no future, but unfortunately there is not an alternative to gnat.
mircea_popescu: not entirely impossible that an i-gcc emerges eventually in the manner of i-b ; but i wouldn't hold breath
asciilifeform: it is in many ways cleaner than gcc.
mircea_popescu: there's apparently never going to be another c++ compiler.
asciilifeform: this is sorta why i wanted to put out trb, frozen gcc, linux, etc. on a ~pressed aluminum~ cd
mircea_popescu: i suspect as the basis grows there's going to be a lot more such cross-verification.
asciilifeform: (note that no other property, other than 'pre-exists valuable-bitcoin', is thereby demonstratable)
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: if your vtree traces pedigree to one of THESE as genesis, i or anyone else possessing such a disk, can be satisfied that it is not a modern wholesale forgery
asciilifeform: incidentally there is such a thing as a 'stone witness', if you will. e.g., i have tarballs from 1990s on cdrom.
asciilifeform: but yes, the fact that asciilifeform made genesis using the recipe he gave, from vintage bitcoind, rather than pulled from own arse, is not a mechanically provable fact without witnesses.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607501 << argument was not about 'i want promisetronics but without having to get assent' but 'want less promisetronics , period' ☝︎
asciilifeform: (witness how we met , e.g., trinque )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik this already ~happens
mircea_popescu: the moment has not yet exactly come, but it isn't long in the future, where random noob's best bet isn't to join here and start yakking away, but instead join some lord's castle, prove himself there, gain an ally, and then, in due time, be introduced here by that lord. if need be and circumstances merit.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda where all this is going as far as i can see.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:51 asciilifeform: (and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607168 << which is how everything ended up being here, through this shifting stress process. but anyway -- ancient societies had a very simple solution to the exact problem, which was the status of the alien. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:46 asciilifeform: but until then , need tools that let folx take MEANINGFUL responsibility, rather than volunteering at every turn to hang for things that they NEVER TOOK PART IN
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607164 << that part is not disputed. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:46 asciilifeform: Framedragger: understand, i would like to live to see the day when we use NOTHING at all that is not from the wot.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607162 << im kinda curious if this day is actually in my lifespan. a LOT more curious than about any of the nonsense re i dunno, "cure for death". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:40 Framedragger: ...and so it is that tmsr uses elliptic curve crypto in its production :)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607150 << sad but tru. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:38 trinque: depends if you consider deedbot production use
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607147 << i would say this qualifies. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's a very marked difference between "to signify your agreement do x" and "anyone doing x is signifiying their agreement to blabla". this outrageous confusion between the sign and the significant itself is enough to make idiots of all the fiat statists.
mircea_popescu: and there's no "by scratching your ass you thereby agree to..." bullshit either.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:21 asciilifeform: all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 13:49 adlai is not a teetotaler in most fields, despite the expulpated exhortations.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607060 << Perhaps venture into the wilds and minister to heathens? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and i do mean that, the weirdo serbian dudes keeping rape hotels during the war were relatively preferable.
mircea_popescu does literally think very little of the two actual humans invovled in the production of this particular greasespot. i think there's little more shameful than having parented an adlai.
asciilifeform: it is not , at this point, even 'psychiatric' problem -- but ~veterinary~
mircea_popescu: this schmuck is literally going around trying to sell "i'm not going to hurt myself" to randos.
mircea_popescu: it's a shitty thing to try and sell. at least whore sells her cunt, which is pleasant. scammer sells some knowledge. it's something, not much but present.
mircea_popescu: in honestly that bit was twinkling for a while.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:00 mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607473 << i can see very clearly this angle, but it is only an angle that you can see ~after~ you set the Bozo Bit on somebody ☝︎
mircea_popescu: unless you're looking to take over from them and do it in 5.5 months, what'd you expect happens.
thestringpuller: trinque: most of those women end up getting pregnant and get 6 months to play mommy while getting paid.
asciilifeform: it doesn't do anything through a terminal that 'eliza' could not do.
mircea_popescu: it also has nothing whatsoever to do.
asciilifeform: trinque: i think i see your angle tho. however it dun do much outside of meatspace, imho 'radiating female' only works in meatspace.
asciilifeform: and yes incl. the kind where chick 'really wants to visit your office after hours and Learn How Robot Is Programmed' etc
mircea_popescu: i could make ten of him and i wouldn't even need women to help me.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood. ☟︎
trinque: they never actually do anything but be there female
asciilifeform: but submission, same as the chick's
asciilifeform: i did not read 'deal' in the quoted bit
mircea_popescu: really, schmuck is going to foist deals on me ? in what parallel fucking universe.
asciilifeform: but today -- both cow.
asciilifeform: with possible exception that one 'had to be a cow' and other 'could have not been a cow', to borrow from mircea_popescu's piece
trinque: she has no pretensions to being other than tits
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Single building with house area and barn area and shared air circulation between the 2. Was all the rage in Wisconsin and Minnesota because Krauts are dirty savages.
asciilifeform: what if we learn that 'she' is a d00d ? in israel no less ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while we're on subj of 'gets in the way but not enemy' -- how come 'adlai attacked republic by dropping snr' but not indiancandy ? is it because the latter lays claim to tits ?
mircea_popescu: egyptians did it too.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:31 asciilifeform: shiva(tinyscheme) is not a wife, it is a cow. it is quite possible to have a house without a cow. if you do have a cow, it lives in separate structure, and nobody will need to be reminded that it is not a wife.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1606942 << The dirty Kraut immigrants in the North had this convention called "housebarn" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: whore, scammer, confused ditz, they may get in your way - but they aren't the enemy.
asciilifeform: so how does the example work, plox to elaborate
mircea_popescu: those who would deny their identity, chiefly to themselves, those who'd take what that simon fellow calls "the bargain" for "civilisation". those are the enemy.
mircea_popescu: the only hostis humani generis are the anonymous usg tools. the gavin-koch-weimer-boeck-younameit.
mircea_popescu: there's not more meaning in there.
mircea_popescu: traditionally these are represented with + and -.
mircea_popescu: i'm an oracle, if you wish. people can ask me questions and get answers, which conform to a specified model ; and STAY conformant in the future.
asciilifeform: just like city wall keeps out the bear.
asciilifeform: as i see it, a large part of 'why wot' is to deliberately interfere with the 'circle of life' , to deny the scammer his easy prey.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this doesn't mean we suddenly not know they're scammers.
asciilifeform: but if we're going with 'answer lies in the sewers', then are scammers not 'part of circle of life' and 'janitors of the forest', mopping up the weak ?
mircea_popescu: i can. don't opt to, because i don't see the merits.
mircea_popescu: i didn't order a hit on his fucking house, mind. this isn't because i can't have random residence firebombed.
mircea_popescu: and in the former case : because I KNOW he's a scammer.
mircea_popescu: wait, you mean pirate the bitcoin dork or pirate the historical element ?
asciilifeform: so why the negrate
asciilifeform: if he were merely 'legitimately separating idiots from money', then why yes ?