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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a native romanicism that goes with it ? ( as in the 'vrem/timp' pair )
mircea_popescu: but if you want to do things in the style of print(url, list-of-params) whereby print_url(list-of-params) is called printing the list as an url, you definitely can.
mircea_popescu: re echo '<a href="' . $url . '">' . $description . '</a>'; << nothing keeps you from doing print_url(x y z) if you want to. you'd have to define that function, of course, but this is true in lisp and any other language as well.
lobbes: well, I'm off to mines to do nothing as interesting. bbl
mircea_popescu: as to the rest, alright, i wait
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/successive-strata-of-castlebuilding-spoiler-they-decay-over-time-as-part-of-a-narrative-on-the-greatest-italian-circus-in-romania-and-teenage-sexuality/ << Trilema -- Successive strata of castlebuilding (spoiler : they decay over time) as part of a narrative on the greatest Italian circus in Romania and teenage sexuality
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
auctionbot: Buy order # 1057 has ENDED: item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following. SOLD by lobbes for 100mn ecu. Attn: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: same as for href = url, anchor.
mircea_popescu: as we know it...
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: as in: had nothing to read before breakfast! at all, eleventy11!
mircea_popescu: i confess as a merchant i have a literal and approximative grasp on theological arcana.
trinque: looks to be working from here, sure you're using paste.deedbot.org (same IP as deedbot.org)
mircea_popescu: (and since we're doing history : anyone know of a study describing anne hutchinson's self-evident influence upon the concept of a "witch" in the colonies, and retelling the "witch trials" as her necessary epiphenomenal epigonic downstream ?)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-11 12:56:17 diana_coman: from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
asciilifeform: ( meanwhile, holyfuq is that xytable solid. i never expected for 100bux chinesium, to get item that can be happily used also as anvil . )
mircea_popescu: let it be clearly stated thus, that even if it apparently works on asciilifeform as it traditionally works ~everywhere, the "oh, let me show you my wares" coy behaviour doth not work on me. what's gained for this "did 1st class work, then got sad" thing's rather low level enmity.
mircea_popescu: when it does, you'll still have your theories as to "recluses" and "irreplaceability", aka various names for self-appointed castration, "i am unchangeable" / "the world is unchangeable" bla bla bla girlytalk to keep you warm.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:39:04 asciilifeform: trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
mircea_popescu: instead of perceiving the imbalance as a problem, an' applying the one working bit to fixing the non working bit -- he just swung the schlong around. died bitter, reportedly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i knew the window story as a boy and always it was part of why respected newton.
mircea_popescu: all the way round to the archetipical anal child, sitting in his room "meditating" about "winning the lottery" -- because might as well.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: this is also true, as a broad trend. it is unfortunate but true that the inept king prefers crossbowmen over archers, because archers take lifetime to train and dedication from puberty to craft, whereas crossbow can be operated by... outsourced labour. it takes a certain sort of short-sightedness to not notice the implicit band-of-brothers vs [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-07-12#1833989][your own nob
asciilifeform: 'biznis world' luvvs 'hold up walls' so long as can be done w/ 10k interchangeable php workers
mircea_popescu: some things were lost once the great man-o-wars made way for the not nearly as great clunkers called ironclads. and once people figured out wtf a sears-haack body is, planes suddenly became "flying coke bottles'
mircea_popescu: presenting the disappearance of horse&buggy as some kind of win was not, factually an' historically, disingenuos. even if trains did in fact take a while to "achieve same or better coverage in all points".
asciilifeform: ( on my terminal, shows up as rectangle w/ '01 01' at end of line )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:29:16 asciilifeform: trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935457 << why ? as it happens, other log was open on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752616 / http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752620 discussion, blessed by the fates as i find myself.
bvt: asciilifeform: today i had a quick look through stevens, apparently timeout for SO_KEEPALIVE is two hours (digging through linux source confirms), so i don't think this option is any useful as is; TCP_KEEPIDLE sets the keepalive timeout per-socket, but then there is a question to which extent to rely on all of these socket options.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 22:55:05 trinque: as of now, I've retired ben_vulpes' paster in favor of my own.
asciilifeform: stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935500 << the interesting bit is that if t had 'gotten out of bed each morning' to work as common draftsman, would have run ~0 risk of the dungeon. most of the 'king of all animals''s subjects did exactly that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:11:58 mircea_popescu: here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:39 mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 02:35:55 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an imp
asciilifeform: for that matter, we still have a system like this -- deedbot. is trinque doomed to same fate as phf, if he ever 'gets lucky' and trapped on cannibal island , and it takes him a week to knife his way out ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's reformulate. it takes a very long time to produce 1st class people. (as a pedagogue, you know this.) if they burn up faster than they are produced -- this is a problem.
diana_coman: from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
mircea_popescu: this mirrors the above discussion re money exactly : in a certain context, idiocy can be just idiocy. but when you engage (and it does not matter how far above your paygrade the engaging is, or how coincidental -- the smoking gun dude could be retarded, iq <30, he'll hang just as well) the very hot core of the first mover in certain ways... suddely it's not no more.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y ~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an important pilla
mircea_popescu: here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
mircea_popescu: for YEARS /me did not give a shit, #t hosted club of (romanian-speaking, as it happens, but of no consequence past that coincidence), exactly same automatons working the same way getting the same results
lobbes: This doesn't even mean the same thing as "not a good guy" or "arms don't grow from right organ" in my book. Simply a WoT matter
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935472 << nah, it came down to what the WoT is all about ("how well are you able to answer questions about X person if asked?"). Nobody could answer as to where he was when needed. Hence MP's whole "nickel's worth of clues" article (the title was apt).
asciilifeform: trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
asciilifeform: trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
trinque: as of now, I've retired ben_vulpes' paster in favor of my own.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expected answer 'as audiophiles(tm)' but sure
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935389 << pothead selectivity is cut of exactly the same cloth as telekinesis.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/john-bolton-out-as-us-national-security-advisor/ << Qntra -- John Bolton Out As US National Security Advisor
BingoBoingo: The economics of weed strike me as similar to mircea_popescu writing about the history of porn. To the extent weed may have had a golden age, that is long gone. The silver/bronze ages are rapidly closing and the DIY amateur glut is going to crush everywhere it hasn't already crushed.
BingoBoingo: All of the pretense to the contrary is exactly that, pretense. I met n>1 fellows down here trying to "bring California quality" to Uruguay. They all pay the bills with jobs tied to the local economy. Their revenues, as best as I can tell, are in the same league as roadside vegetable stands in the middle of nowhere that use an "honor box" as their payment processor. There is probably more money to be had in wool than weed.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
asciilifeform: and then there's the 'stealth' binturds . e.g. linux kernel superficially seems to be 100% text, but in fact there's coupla 100MB of init-turds as hex .h includes , and so on.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: just about ~all since 2010 or so, per asciilifeform's notes. ( invariably there's a pdf turd passed off as documentation, or jpegs for guism, or in device drivers -- magick init binturds ; etc )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: myeah, not new; just finally realising that it's ~all, not "some" (as naive mind might think when encountering bins in sources for 1st, 2nd , 10th time)
spyked: achtung: I'm doing some maintenance/cleanup work on feedbot as a prelude to upcoming vpatch(es). the bot might go down a coupla times in the meanwhile, but shouldn't lose any feeds
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:55:23 BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:11:09 BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:05:07 bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, if one were to 1) SO_REUSEADDR + 2) force it closed before attempting any connect -- oughta cure
asciilifeform: bvt: i still do not know whether socket 'was not closed, but wedged' somehow (in which case proggy oughta be made such as to find out, and close asap) or in fact closed but on acct of the idjit zombie-by-default thing, not reusable
bvt: asciilifeform: re SO_REUSEADDR - i don't see how it is applicable: as i understand errno 106=EISCONN the kernel believes that the socket is still connected (perhaps socket.timeout case in send()?); so if you proceed to connect without closing it, you'd get double connect on the same socket; and SO_REUSEADDR does not protect against this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zd3l
mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
asciilifeform: fwiw i'm not even convinced that the 'human mushroom' lied in the customary sense -- but instead, fungus, i.e. passed off what his bob becks gave him, as fact.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 04:19:39 mircea_popescu: though i grant, sock = socket.socket(socket. is such promising lingo as to utterly recommend python for african studies.
lobbes: It is Portuguese, though (as Mocky can attest) if you look at me all you'll see is anglo
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, you are right; yes, I misread it as -v
mircea_popescu: well there's a * deedbot gives voice to nicoleci you prolly msiread as "removes voice" ?
nicoleci: diana_coman, currently im having issues accessing the shell. this may be a BingoBoingo question. i'll provide a better answer as to which step im stuck on when i get inside.
diana_coman: and yeah, this one has some gems in it; I think my favourite is "Some more quicksighted, imagin'd these two children were, as useless shades sent to Charon by any means that could be made use of."
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935095 << log in as root, close the program's socket whileit's running.
mircea_popescu: though i grant, sock = socket.socket(socket. is such promising lingo as to utterly recommend python for african studies.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
auctionbot: Buy order # 1057: item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following. Heard: 100mn from lobbes. Ending: 2019-09-12 20:26:41.479316 UTC (101 hours 9 mins)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 18:19:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.
lobbes: as for the vpatching, I wonder if it makes sense to just "lump them all in" with the quoted search patch?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 18:19:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.
lobbes: the "raw dump" knob works splendidly btw! was as simple as deleting from loglines table by index and eating where not synced
lobbes: I'll make the change on my end as well re: the time_last_conn (ty for the info diana_coman)
diana_coman: as to *what* caused the reconnect, I can't say I know exactly: the bot's log duly reports a "listen socket error, disconnecting", followed by the expected reconnect but I can't see / don't know where to look, possibly for anything more informative.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.
trinque: sure, that works. I just reached for base64 as per last thread
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:59:13 mircea_popescu: !Xbuy 100mn 144 item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following.
mircea_popescu: the name, however, translates as "my faith is in the son of the eshara". that'd be ashur, of course.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i have no objection to making the future tmsr iron run forth, as things stnad right now.
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu knows full well, nuffin is 'simple' on pc. but there's degrees of bulk.