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mircea_popescu: if
the negotiations can't proceed,
the
thing fell apart.
ben_vulpes: you're conflating "things fall apart" with "texas
threatens goldman sachs' control of paper gold price"
mircea_popescu: there isn't going
to be a "us mil" if
things fall apart.
there wasn't a soviet one either.
trinque: asciilifeform: I would say my view of former USSR is as cartoonish as your present view of certain parts of north america you apparently haven't spent
time in
mircea_popescu: if
they shoot clinton now it'd not be in
time either. in
time for what.
trinque: maybe
that passed
too quietly;
the whole middle of
the country can shoot, including
the women
mircea_popescu: and
the alternative here, ie, "federation", as in weimar republic exacrtly is strictly non workable because endothermic. and
there's no heat
to be had. not no mo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all nation building starts with killing
the croat males and
taking
the females
to
the breeding pits.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i
think you deeply misrepresent
the rural folk.
trinque: liberal potheads save
the day again
mircea_popescu: trinque should be interesting, esp seeing how
the canabis state laws
thing made it quite precedented.
trinque: texas would wrap adjoining states in monetary
tentacles over
time
trinque: same for anyone whose family moved
to new england in
the last 50 years
ben_vulpes: the oathkeepers are a notorious joke, and nobody's going
to stand up
to a commanding officer
to defend
the good people of
texas, no matter how little
the ordered disliked
texans
the day before.
mircea_popescu: moreover california losing about 10mn pop would be great for
the planet
ben_vulpes: trinque: recall "the most important part is being wrong
together" from
the manning piece?
trinque: I don't
think most of
the continent wants
to shoost
tejas
ben_vulpes: then
the gamble becomes "can
tejas out-shoost
the feds"
ben_vulpes: trinque:
that project could kick off quite
the conflict if it
threatens
the value of paper gold significantly.
mircea_popescu: the ideology is still
there, just as recoverable
today as it was in lincoln's day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude,
the idiot kids over at github aren't either civilisation or america
trinque: but
there's a kernel in
there
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 20:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't worry about it --
they had it
two generations ago, and will get it again
trinque: I really don't give a fuck if
the outer husk becomes a nation
ben_vulpes: ferment your
trash, fix your neighbors
toilets, pray you can get
through
the long walk in
the desert with friends.
mircea_popescu: evidently not everyone in
there is good
time sally-ing it
throughout.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not clear. maybe it finds itself a nation at
the bottom of it.
mircea_popescu: they don't know it yet, but
they're as dead as polish jews.
ben_vulpes: gimme
that good debt, right
to
this clean vein.
mircea_popescu: the louder if useless city kids don't have it, but what
they have or don't have is irrelevant - anyone with a social media profile is dead as of last week
ben_vulpes: yeah kind of what i'm saying.
the currency degradation is utterly irreversible, and
that's
the us' death sentence, no matter how great again
the
temporary may feel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't worry about it --
they had it
two generations ago, and will get it again
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the us itself opted for it ; in preference of 4/8 years of increasingly
tenous pretense
to
the contrary by some pantsuited clown.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-30 22:56 mircea_popescu: russia exists out of
the
tolerance
to poverty of its women and
the rich subsoil. not much call for
the latter in
the much slower economy of
the future. so rather
than buying bonds...
mircea_popescu: the dollar is never again going
to be anywhere near 1k / btc.
that's cut and dried.
ben_vulpes: this may be so, but getting
the dollar back
to 1000/btc is going
to be harder with every rod of rebar.
mircea_popescu: strong currency is counterproductive before
the folks even have what
to save.
ben_vulpes: comeback necessarily would have
to entail sane monetary structure, which is even less likely
than gutting
the department of labor.
mircea_popescu: similarily, left state, purged
the apparatus, came back out right ?
mircea_popescu: recall,
the case of "comeback"
that happened in your lifetime ?
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be a civilisation comeback. on
the contrary, it would be controlled civilisation demolishing. in preference of
the inevitable alternative.
mircea_popescu: i
think you deeply misrepresent just how easy sanity is.
mircea_popescu: and i mean it literally. either you're in
the church or in
the morgue.
mircea_popescu: what i said was, "make iraq 51st state, shoot everyone who refuses
to attend sunday mass."
trinque: I cannot see
the error in
that logic.
ben_vulpes: er "why you don't like
the epa gutting"
ben_vulpes: "oh i see why you don't like
the epa,
they fucked up
the white pennsylvanian red state people you hate so much. so it's cool
that penn no longer has potable water, because
they're vile
trumpers, right?"
ben_vulpes: trinque: yeah actually
that's a good one
to roast liberals with.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no.
they did it because
they were derps.
ben_vulpes: gonna hear
the same wail in re
the fda as well, with
the same response. "they fed us meth under doctors orders. kill
them all."
trinque: this changes 0 in regards
to what is beneath
the soil
mircea_popescu: not so ; providing jobs for
the new york
times staff bfs.
ben_vulpes: stood by while
the water
table was ruind.
trinque: I don't like
the insane asylum in dc any more
than anyone else
ben_vulpes: epa was doing fuck all in
the first place.
trinque: why do you
think
the EPA is being gutted as we speak?
trinque: asciilifeform:
the prospectors ~know
ben_vulpes: put
ten
through get one out. almost as good for
the body politic as war proper.
mircea_popescu: once chitlin get
to look into
the face of
their own irrelevance,
things get going in a jiffy.
mircea_popescu: random 20yo piucked off
the street
thinks it's his option as
to whether he works oil rig or not.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform:
there are a zillion fracking
taps
the saudis 'tricked us' into putting in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if it WERE a problem, make iraq 51st state, shoot everyone who refuses
to attend sunday mass.
trinque: what
the fuck imaginary world is
this
ben_vulpes: yeah what fucking missing,
there's shittons.