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trinque: asciilifeform: gotta define the cut to define the replacement
davout: asciilifeform: there's a difference between "not yet" and "never"
asciilifeform: tell me why a cut should be so much as considered for ten seconds without a ready, tested replacement.
davout: trinque: wallet has keys, asks for unspent outputs to bitcoin client, deduces balance
asciilifeform: davout: you just said that you have not yet produced a replacement ?
davout: i'm really not sure where this "no equivalent replacement" comes from
asciilifeform: if , using your trb, i cannot transact ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 18:53 davout: but also appreciate the fact that i'm a fine position to know what is painful, retarded, and needs to die in bitcoin when it comes to issuing transaction
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608173 << doubful that's in question; still working both sides of the cut at once will be instructive ☝︎
asciilifeform: what are the knobs, davout , if you remove the wallet and offer no equivalent replacement ?
davout: asciilifeform: i don't think you understand what i'm after, what i'm trying to get to is "sane and explicit knobs" instead of "here use this $magicfee"
asciilifeform: davout: pretty much everyone tuned in has experienced firsthand the retardation of the old walletron.
davout: but also appreciate the fact that i'm a fine position to know what is painful, retarded, and needs to die in bitcoin when it comes to issuing transaction ☟︎
asciilifeform: but to remove vital organs and replace them with 'promise to give new liver later!!!' is lunacy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a pretty good imho description of the necessary cutting-apart of trb
davout: yeah, really not very hard to be in agreement here
asciilifeform: in order to do this, it must WORK
davout: asciilifeform: i never said this wasn't on the table
asciilifeform: it'd be one thing if davout proposed the cut ~in tandem with~ a standalone walletron. even if it were made entirely out of the old one. ☟︎
davout: is it like the platinum "one meter" buried somewhere for "reference" or is it "the bitcoin implementation that is the reference because it's sane, it works, and can be used in production"
asciilifeform: and not 'working but you gotta go to some unspecified junkyard and glue a new liver for it out of ??? first'
ben_vulpes: davout: why would you even consider releasing a patch that leaves trb unable to cook and transmit transactions? keep it on your table where it's useful to you.
asciilifeform: it's the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of a reference client.
davout: i'm really not sold on this "has to be able to alpha centauri" requirement
asciilifeform: which means 100% of necessary function to set up bitcoin on alpha centauri. no exceptions.
davout: asciilifeform: can use same openssl as trb
asciilifeform: (i would certainly not use a walletron based on openssl that DOES NOT PRE-DATE VALUABLEBTC forfuckssake)
ben_vulpes: davout: trb cannot exist in a state where "user must supply code for x"
davout: and just like vtrons, everyone should be able to write its own easily
asciilifeform: 'i'ma snip out this cirrhotic liver and some time later i'll maybe find a new one' ?
asciilifeform: or is the plan to create (why???) a quite-useless castrato-trb.
asciilifeform: davout: have you written this external proggy ?
davout: asciilifeform: to me trb just has to provide "return txouts spendable by arbitrary set of addresses", "add this transaction to mempool"
davout: mod6: ty, will try the gnu-awk thing
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu is there a translation of http://trilema.com/2011/oul-morganatic/ ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 23:42 ben_vulpes: in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/
asciilifeform: and in a lulzy continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606755 >> in the fishwrap: http://archive.is/wnygX ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'Reached by phone Wednesday, O’Grady, 33, said she has struggled to plug the stream of hateful messages that have inundated her Twitter feed and Facebook page since Tuesday morning, leaving her “defeated and dejected.”'
asciilifeform: but in latest lulz, http://archive.is/8G35m >> 'O’Grady was mistakenly identified this week as a Secret Service agent (also named Kerry O’Grady) who is under investigation for posting a statement on Facebook that appeared to indicate she preferred jail over being shot and killed for President Trump.' ☟︎
trinque: he's going to have a blast
asciilifeform: Many of the accounts use the official logos of the departments they claim to represent, like the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA, or various regional park services.'
asciilifeform: in quite other lulz, http://archive.is/v8l8N >> 'The @AltNatParkSer account was quickly followed by dozens more. There are now at least 50 "unofficial" or "alternative" accounts purporting to represent the views of government staffers or agencies.
asciilifeform: also apparently you can (sorta) get these off the shelf, e.g., https://www.controlanything.com/Relay/Device/USBFOI
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: similar thing happened under clinton, 'brac' << BRAC took "Jobs in congressional districts" pissed off congress.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i read through the english speaking press wrt trump's first week. qntra is by far the better source. << ty
asciilifeform: and this counts only ~official~ agencies (rather than, e.g., 'palantir')
mircea_popescu: however many. the woman's barren owing to advanced age and abundant curetages in youth, there's nothing coming out her rotten eggs regardless.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 10:33 davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608062 << that looks like an ordinary unix diff << yup. and if you got an error when running vdiff, some of us have run into this on various linux boxes. iirc the solution was to install a newer version of gnu-awk. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i shit thee not.
mircea_popescu: except of course they already got like 4 kgbs
asciilifeform: they are , as i understand it, going for the classical kgb/gru split.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this re the nsa/cybercom split..?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "The most notable public opposition came from Senate Armed Service Committee Chairman John McCain, who promised to block any such move. Senator McCain’s objections were primarily procedural and not substantive (i.e., he was upset he learned about the recommendation almost second-hand at the hearing, instead of by official channels)."
asciilifeform: and what to iraq with.
asciilifeform: aha, left what to blow idiot 'dotcom' bubble with.
asciilifeform: (rather than , as one could naively suppose ) starvation, or 'honest work'
asciilifeform: result was, typically, mass migration into 'contract' sector.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: similar thing happened under clinton, 'brac'
mod6: <+davout> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html <<< this still correct? << yup.
mircea_popescu: the shedding of 500k federal jobs in dc is underway, by the way. people are making financial arrangements, such as getting out of mortgages.
mircea_popescu: i read through the english speaking press wrt trump's first week. qntra is by far the better source.
mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo here's a stray thought :
mircea_popescu: this counts above fucking the woman, in my book.
mircea_popescu: and in shocking today, trump has ~madonna~ apologizing and complaining about "being taken out of context". fucking madonna.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/powder-blue/ << Trilema - Powder Blue
mircea_popescu: when i die i'll be shown the list of everyone's favourite trilemas and spend the rest of the afterlife in shock.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see you appreciate teh frank
asciilifeform: or just snoring on the job?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 12:41 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a police station for, other than l'attaque d'une bande cagoulee ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608078 << i take it that fr police are not equipped with heavy machinegun like in usa ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 10:33 davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608062 << that looks like an ordinary unix diff ☝︎
asciilifeform: we had detailed thread re subj not so long ago
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 10:29 davout: or remove the dependencies one by one until removing the wallet is merely a "rm wallet.cpp" away
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED71EDF77E2516FF0FB0D23F807DD39572A584CCF8A083A376319B183334B400 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...9963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.1.97.54 (ssh-rsa key from 193.1.97.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pyrrha.csisdmz.ul.ie. IE M LK)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED71EDF77E2516FF0FB0D23F807DD39572A584CCF8A083A376319B183334B400 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1764...1943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.1.97.54 (ssh-rsa key from 193.1.97.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pyrrha.csisdmz.ul.ie. IE M LK)
a111: Logged on 2014-02-17 19:02 asciilifeform: 'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 12:59 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/frank-ants-and-mrs-stein/ << Trilema - Frank, ants and Mrs Stein.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/frank-ants-and-mrs-stein/ << Trilema - Frank, ants and Mrs Stein. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a police station for, other than l'attaque d'une bande cagoulee ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, at some point someone thought "hey, i know, we'll wear shit on our heads and go break people's doors". the obvious "then people will wear shit on their heads break your door" however got handwaved, because there's nothing specialer than a special snowflake.
davout: kinda bijective with "let's put a wallet in bitcoind", catches dust too
mircea_popescu: lol what a thoughtful household head you are.
davout: probably catches lots of dust too
mircea_popescu: and in other news, some dude apparently goes and pours aluminum into fire anthills, sells the resulting casts.
mircea_popescu: this activity would be the v-equivalent of "stable release"
mircea_popescu: let the job of merging be done later, that's the idea. eventually as the chains get long and review has progressed significantly, people can rebase multiple patches into one.
davout: probably easier to merge multiple patches into one than unmerge a hairball
mircea_popescu: davout even if the whole bundle is released in one go, it is probably best practice to do the snips one at a time in that many patches.
davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true ☟︎☟︎
davout: getting a feel for the whole patch authoring process without touching anything very sensitive
davout: i've started by simply removing the signmessage and verifymessage functionality
davout: or remove the dependencies one by one until removing the wallet is merely a "rm wallet.cpp" away ☟︎
davout: either remove the wallet and everything that depends on it in one go (pretty much everything that uses keys stored by the client)
davout: so with the eventual goal of cleanly amputating the wallet off of TRB I'm kind of wondering what the best approach is here,
davout: well actually, the three revisions seem to reference the same vdiff.sh, which apparently works, but gives me some error messages
davout: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html <<< this still correct?
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A035B8E99A0B459D9BA18C193DF9230FAB2AF0C7B6434DAEC4FBF38934D19B0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...7289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.253.235.75 (ssh-rsa key from 77.253.235.75 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (77-253-235-75.static.ip.netia.com.pl. PL MA)