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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store
asciilifeform: perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo.
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :(
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence
asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас'
ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing
asciilifeform: ah see, sale of anal virginity is a non-linear business
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...
decimation: ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website
ben_vulpes: and a complicated optimization problem to boot.
ben_vulpes: and it's not strictly a minimum.
BingoBoingo: In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge...
decimation: ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths
TheNewDeal: his website took a shit
asciilifeform: deliberate reversal of the 'arrow of causation' is a favourite tactic of academtards
ben_vulpes: bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments.
BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before
TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian
ben_vulpes: it's supposed to be a win-win.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle
ben_vulpes: every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day
ben_vulpes: ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts
kakobrekla: a.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance?
ben_vulpes: its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so
kakobrekla: asciilifeform sounds like a fun book
decimation: dsherm: that is a good point
jborkl: I think it is a terrific idea and good timing
ben_vulpes: running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now
decimation: dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit
asciilifeform: (visitor to faraway planet takes forbidden 'sobriogenic' pill, notices that no robots, only idiots who think they're robots; takes a yet more forbidden pill, notices other things are absent as well... etc)
TheNewDeal: i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular
dsherm: decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album?
jborkl: Damn 2012, I have to get a life
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ?
ben_vulpes: do you have a wot handle?
decimation: TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> i have a degree in CS
dsherm: TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when
TheNewDeal: sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer
decimation: dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly
TheNewDeal: have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late?
decimation: not a weighted average
TheNewDeal: then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating
asciilifeform: 'can you fart a thermonuke?' --- 'sure, just this one time, only for you'
decimation: he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system
asciilifeform: which is not to say that one could not, hypothetically, compute a numerical solution to something-or-other by tossing balls.
asciilifeform: decimation: catch a ball << bad example. when high-speed photography appeared, people learned that man (and dog, and circus lion) do not catch balls by computing integrals, but through 'bang-bang correction'
decimation: asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :)
asciilifeform: consider the methods 'mnemonists' (a kind of stage magician) use to memorize multiple kBytes of, e.g, the digits of 'pi'
decimation: like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball?
decimation: it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable
asciilifeform: 'mental rsa' is mostly useful as a gedankenexperiment.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles
asciilifeform: this is not a shortcoming of cryptography.
asciilifeform: but if captured by the enemy, you still confess the plaintext when hanging upside down over a nice hot fire
asciilifeform: decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety
dsherm: decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure
decimation: asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal'
decimation: dsherm: are you a fan of hard money?
decimation: asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack"
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: the subject has very little to do with cryptography in the usual sense. it touches on what can only be described as a philosophical confusion (a deliberately-propagated one, at that.)
bats_cd03: i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.)) ☟︎☟︎
thestringpuller: which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop
decimation: at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage
decimation: asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see
asciilifeform: a national 'shadow treasury' for the loot to end up in - is not a necessary hypothesis.
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it.
danielpbarron: i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing
assbot: 1 results for 'http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fa%2F1PDRJ
bats_cd03: !s http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ
asciilifeform: which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ?
danielpbarron slaps BingoBoingo around a bit with a large invite
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine
BlueMeanie4: the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas
asciilifeform: just as 'are you paranoid if the gasenwagen is actually on its way,' -- 'are you still in a cult if the alien comet ship is actually parked in orbit, and waiting to pick you up?'
mircea_popescu: "you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island."
BlueMeanie4: you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative
bats_cd03: careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days.
BlueMeanie4: and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult
mircea_popescu: seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: if city hall were to bring in a truck full of wooden coins, would this cause the requisite trainload of produce to materialize ?
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: point was a question. how does it follow that a 'flexible' currency supply is a useful thing?
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mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.
mircea_popescu: tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: no one, afaik, finds this particularly offensive. but how does it follow that the farmers will require a growing supply of the wooden coins?
nubbins`: although that's at a larger scale again
BlueMeanie4: i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth