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mircea_popescu: justusranvier lol they can't compete on fud, this is
a long established point.
justusranvier: But they know their block wasn't bad because they submitted it to
a local, isolated bitcoind before they broadcast it to the network
mircea_popescu: the entire thing is really
a meaningless exercise. who the fuck cares what happens on testnet.
justusranvier:
A few hours after dhill tweeted btcd's first ever mined testnet block, somebody showed up with enough hashing power to find 100 blocks/hour and started conducting history rewriting attacks
decimation: hehe yeah the other link at the bottom is good too:
http://hopelesslysane.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-other-entitlement-class.html "We have millions of these privileged entitlement folks. They are the ones populating the Ivy League schools preparing for their rise to power over the nation. They have never worked
a real job, never produced anything, never been allowed to fall on their faces, never been allowed to fail and deal with the
mircea_popescu: libertarian is lonely through his own fault. shoulda made
a wot.
mircea_popescu: but for the average noob, history | grep history yields
a lot of... "history | grep history"
decimation: asciilifeform: most 'public' schools in the us require the same, always
a source of amusement for the young ones
kanzure: the textbook industry spends about $3B/year on marketing- but have you ever seen an ad for
a textbook?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> the average call girl makes
a lot better money than the average uni prof.// but much shorter career
mircea_popescu: the average call girl makes
a lot better money than the average uni prof.
decimation: for undergrad subjects at any rate, you would be
a pretty poor professor if you couldn't write your own text
midnightmagic: It's already
a good chunk of the way there. Many courses at local universities have entirely virtual course materials and reading lists.
decimation: one wonders with the ease of finding scans/native text of
a great many published textbooks - how long until the college bookstore becomes
a thing of the past?
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the divorce rate would look like if it worked the other way areound. doing it five times
a week = +1 inch
a year.
MolokoDesk: it's
a bit of work to "not lose
a private key". I jest somewhat.
MolokoDesk: I'm in. I'll get that set up in
a while.
mircea_popescu: no it's not. your future ability to obtain work here, as well as your ability to benefit from the positive exposure you worked for today strictly hinges on you having
a wot acct.
MolokoDesk: but I see why it's the thing to do now, since I'm going to be in here
a bit.
kakobrekla: <kakobrekla> didnt i just link to it? < twice, first time was
a /notice
MolokoDesk: generally anything shell() or exec() -like is
a bad practice.
kakobrekla: and dont do stdin/out when you have
a gpg wrapper
mircea_popescu: "i float carried on tits with wings of cotton candy on their backs, they carry me through pink skies and fluffy clouds upon which bubble sleepy dinosaurs. flying by go butts with lengthy bead strings, and
a rustic potato crucified on lolips " etc
nubbins`: reminds me of
a thread on gigposters.com, the place i learned my craft -- question was "what's your fave show poster"
MolokoDesk: ok. if we're in agreement about what to do and when to do it I can send you
a bitcoin address and get to work.
ben_vulpes: why
a gc call? why there? what the ever loving fuck is the story?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic people like the fact that it's not in shitlanguage and it's better written than the bitcoind. this is not
a comment on th\e actual code quality.
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes:
A user put
a forced garbage collection at the wrong spot in Conformal's btcd, and Go segfaulted for no good reason. The code is not as high-quality as everyone thinks it is.
ben_vulpes: what's
a thousandth of
a coin worth in three decades?
midnightmagic: justusranvier: It was one or the other. They deny it was them. From the perspective of an outsider, what's the truth? Who knows? But the fork started at
a block CONFORMAL built, and went for hundreds of testnet blocks. It's not b-s. Conformal's logic is false about the origin.
justusranvier: I just spent the last three days supporting
a code sprint with four Monetas coders and Dave Collins while they work on btcwallet. Midnightmagic's story about btcd forking testnet is complete BS
midnightmagic: Yeah that was b-s. He was
a menace. Nobody who relies on me lost any money at MtGox.
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: It means the constant claim of credit for work bitcoin core does, the regular snipes and badmouthing of dev activity, the adoption, nearly wholesale, of bitcoin features and ideas without any attribution, and the denial that either someone with access to the conformal code created
a fork after rejecting
a conformal-mined block, or someone who has
a custom bitcoind that doesn't crash on
a huge long testnet fork even
MolokoDesk: I was considering that the other night, having
a web of trust data structure as
a graph, then different algorithms to assess inheritance or diffusion of trust, various wieghtings of different endorsements, graph topology analysis to detect mutual endorsement cartels, that sort of thing
mircea_popescu: and your skull over there too, with this brain matter in
a wet soup, also got its pluses and minuses.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes think of it the only right way to thinl of it : any restriction on the process for others is tantamount to
a restriction on the domain of the trng.
MolokoDesk: the bot also maintains
a link log page, searchable.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you really can't say what process
a third party uses to discern trustworthyness
MolokoDesk: I'm using
a lot of scraping to get data in some cases so some modules require periodic maintenance.
MolokoDesk:
a pipe to gpg works well, gpg outputs it's valdiation spew to stderr so most people have trouble using it from inside php.
MolokoDesk: i open
a pipe for stdio, stdin and stderr.
mircea_popescu: but it sounds like just the sort of thing to become
a nightmare.
MolokoDesk: I'm hosting
a bot in ragnar's channel already.
mircea_popescu: then you'd best include notes on how to get
a stock php server into
a stater where it can run your code.
MolokoDesk: ok. still have to do
a bit of work to find the address in the block. knowing the trasnaction ID is more specific. I'm not arguing the case, this is find.
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: Completely baseless, time-wasting lawsuit because bitcoins hit the multi-hundreds of dollars and random $greek_person found
a lawfirm willing to launch defamation nonsense.
chetty: The U.S. Forest Service on Friday published
a nearly 700-word article on how to safely roast marshmallows, all in preparation for Saturday, which is National Roasted Marshmallow Day.
MolokoDesk: there are multiple transactions in
a block.
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: The last time I was anything but civil to the ninjawhatever type, it turned into 2-year siege that culminated in .. like three (apparent) lawsuits because "ops blah blah exceeding authority blah". Why would I want to risk that
a second time when it costs me virtually nothing to report on what I see?
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform sees 'golang' as
a mild misbehaviour, but won't try to convince people << be fgucking thankful it's not ruby.
RagnarDanneskjol: i think the 'obviously bogus' part isn't really even
a consideration
MolokoDesk: so this is more
a "bot, tell me what you know about this purported contract document, and save
a copy, and if the contract isn't obviously bogus, notarize it to the blockchain with
a hash"
MolokoDesk: the only thing i haven't tested fully is spending via block.io's api (i have the encoded wallet address already), and getting PGP keys or key IDs/hashes from
a signed document without knowing the public keys already.
MolokoDesk: I've basically worked up
a construction kit for such
a bot. I presume the set of functions I have working, or some subset of them, can be used to implement anything we've discussed here.
mircea_popescu: we're not getting too far here, lemme write it out as
a formal spec.
MolokoDesk: assuming everything suggested regarding validating blind signatures is doable: someone points the bot at
a cryptosigned document. The bot sniffs the signatures. if all the signatures are valid for that document, it issues
a transaction encoding an SHA Hash of the document, waits for the transaction to appear on the block chain, then informs the irc channel of the transaction ID, block number and
a pointer to
a logged copy
decimation: re: infantilism, charity <<
http://hopelesslysane.blogspot.com/2014/08/gratitude.html " I watched one brave/stupid older woman approach
a very large woman with six kids hanging off her cart ($420+ of free stuff), and tell her "I know gratitude is beyond you, the least you could do is be polite." The oldest of the boys, about 12ish, menaced her, got in her face and said, "Fuck you, bitch! You owe us!", while momma smirked in approval.
mircea_popescu: what one woman takes as violence another takes as courtship,
a point the state is desperate to hide from the more unfortunate of youze.
mircea_popescu: first off, violence is
a subjective psychogenic construct.
decimation: MolokoDesk: I disagree, "monopoly on violence" is
a refrain of modern apologists for the state
MolokoDesk: one of the many defiitions of "government" is "that faction that has
a monopoly on the use of force in
a geographic area"
decimation: for example, "I demand that the the group give me
a "gun free" life" becomes "give us your gun or go to the gulag" for the neighbor
mircea_popescu: welcome to philosophically sound software design (tm). i hope to see
a lot more of it in the future.
MolokoDesk: ok. is the rationale here that if counterparties signed
a document, they usually know who they are and since the contract is not enforceable by an external party, only by their cooperation, it doesn't matter who actually signed it if they all know they did.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck it can extract
a keyid from the signature block.
MolokoDesk: ok. can GPG extract the public key from
a cryptosignature without knowing which public key was used to make the cryptosignature?
mircea_popescu: if
a matter of repudiation arises, then that is dealt with by testing the sig.
ben_vulpes: in that there is
a signature and
a keyid.
ben_vulpes: but in the case of an unknown key, pgp cannot determine if
a signature is valid.
ben_vulpes: can you even verify
a signature without
a public key?
mircea_popescu: so having
a "signature apparently by 8A736F0E2FB7B452, could not verify" is one thing. "good signature from user MP 8A736F0E2FB7B452" is another thing.
mircea_popescu: nsa reads like
a third of their "secure" comms on this basis.
mircea_popescu:
a point so fucking readily lost on derpjournos you wouldn't begin to believe.
mircea_popescu: no ppl i r not insane tyvm stop pming me. i am aware that through the process as described signatures never get in fact verified and one could create
a colision and sign for someone else. this is not
a bug, it's
a fucking feature. you ARE supposed to check YOURSELF the fucking sigs if you intend to rely on the signed documents. it's the only way to implement this correctly.
MolokoDeck: I think that use of "now" requires
a comma in the first sentence, since it's used as
a colloquialism or interjection.
MolokoDeck: I just sent you
a link to the unit tests.
MolokoDeck: it's easy to spiff
a static address with
a few satoshi.
MolokoDeck: you need the hash of the public key ... to get that it seems you need the public key. the PGP cryptosignatures on
a document are kind of opaque if you don't have the public key already, apparently it uses the public key to determine whether the signatures match the unaltered document and are from the person who owns the private key matching the public key.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Now this wasn't particularly notable at all. Now
a lot of mining companies are crawling" << you are not allowed to use now as the first word in two consecutive sentences