asciilifeform: the_scourge: certainly.

asciilifeform: why does the socket have to be opened using $turdlang ?

asciilifeform: so it alone can't possibly justify the use of turdlangs.

asciilifeform: this whole 'www' thing never made sense to me. if you can open a socket, you can crap out html

asciilifeform: parenscript is just a lib for any ordinary cl

asciilifeform: you know, the folks who walk in with a turd and explain to you that it's 'just the same' as a sausage, but 'more up with the times'

asciilifeform: it was actually my first exposure to that kind of thing.

asciilifeform: a bauble pushed by unrepentantly lying chumpatronicists.

asciilifeform: short version: 'clojure' is to, say, 'common lisp', as 'ripple' is to bitcoin.

asciilifeform: if reading the comments, skip straight to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3383

asciilifeform: trinque: the former was, until recently (and possibly now) among the top 'google' hits for the subject.

asciilifeform: trinque: if you actually care, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 and http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374

asciilifeform not a fan

asciilifeform lived in free-standing bldg since may, and only now thought to put it to proper use: plug in subwoofer & setting to max.

asciilifeform: it.

asciilifeform: the_scourge: none of the others will be of much help.

asciilifeform: the_scourge: get peter kogge's book, then

asciilifeform: -which- lisp machine ?

asciilifeform: the_scourge: depends on your objective

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: turbotax article << see also last night's thread re: identity fraud in usa.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-BK002009.jpg?size=67&uid=a019bd8c-0800-4484-9de2-d5a9a6551b15 << breech

asciilifeform: further suggesting that the latter was a 'loss leader' all along

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thus far, found nothing remotely approaching the bang/buck ratio of pogo

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i've been looking into alternatives

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i distinctly recall seeing this figure here earlier

asciilifeform: not entirely unconnected with the gpu vendors' behaviour.

asciilifeform: iirc there are not yet poetteringisms in the mainline kernel.

asciilifeform: alsa almost works.

asciilifeform: it actually has a closer resemblance to the perverse programming languages discussed earlier in this thread, than to systemd

asciilifeform followed project for a while before it was publicly advertised

asciilifeform: (for n00bz: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 )

asciilifeform: urbit.

asciilifeform: had a perverse functional-programming master's thesis disguised as an open source project, yes

asciilifeform: mr mold did not, last i heard, ever publish anything analogous to systemd

asciilifeform: the_scourge: we are discussing an embedded system with 128m each of ram and eeprom.

asciilifeform: at any rate, it pretty much has to be a 'buildroot' script in the end. so as everything ends up in a ro-mountable flash image.

asciilifeform: danielpbarron has probably noticed that pieces of 'systemd' crash every few hrs. on that box

asciilifeform: the_scourge: trololol!

asciilifeform: the_scourge: 'NixOS 14.12 “Caterpillar” has been released, the third stable release branch. It brings Linux 3.14, systemd 217, Glibc 2.20, KDE 4.14.1, and much more.'

asciilifeform: heavy but very enlightening work.

asciilifeform: the_scourge: christian quinniec's book?

asciilifeform: 'buildroot' is the ticket

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane.

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this gives you a rather heavyweight linux - with systemd, even.

asciilifeform: one such

asciilifeform: writing a (demented but functional) c compiler and (very old-fashioned, to the point of braindamage) lisp interp. used to be standard homework assignments

asciilifeform: the tell-tale symptom of a programming language that does far too much behind the scenes is when its users seldom, if ever, study the implementation

asciilifeform: don't take my word for this, look at how they are implemented

asciilifeform: just about everything pushed as 'pure functional' (haskell, standard ml, etc.) to a large extent operate via pattern matching

asciilifeform: and even a built-in prolog!

asciilifeform: shen had pattern-matching.

asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages a la prolog where the operator has no possible way of having the faintest clue what an operation will cost

asciilifeform: did not find it interesting enough to bother with a writeup.

asciilifeform: did not.

asciilifeform: may still be there.

asciilifeform: the_scourge: there was, at least in the past, a 'google groups' thing for it.

asciilifeform: iirc tarver eventually gave up and went off to hell knows where.

asciilifeform: wasn't impressed.

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: even unobtainium.

asciilifeform: from cranial junk - can extract anything at all.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: from low orbit usg junk ?

asciilifeform: might reflect.

asciilifeform: and not in the vacuum of space, either - there are loose H2 atoms bouncing there

asciilifeform: secure los exists only in vacuum

asciilifeform: the_scourge: but wireless links between streets would then be secure ?

asciilifeform: the_scourge: wai, wat?! if secure crypto were unknown, it then would be more urgent?

asciilifeform: it's one of those all-in-one soc things.

asciilifeform: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ralink_RT5350

asciilifeform: RT5350.

asciilifeform: ignoring 'spectrum property' and spread/hopping far and wide, as modern mil. radios do.

asciilifeform: except the obvious pill is to forget the 802.11 crap and use straight sdr

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: and ideally you'd want one that doesn't dma

asciilifeform: wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study

asciilifeform: experiment.

asciilifeform: how it will behave shorted will depend on whether designer bothered with safety

asciilifeform: then pull the internal antenna

asciilifeform: node is not a reactor, if thing sits on bus and listens for doomsday signal from enemy, it'll do what?

asciilifeform: you don't actually have to open & mutilate, just don't include it in kernel

asciilifeform not thrilled with the wireless thing, but it seems to be inescapable in small embedded crapatrons

asciilifeform: http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/04/28/15-asiarf-awm002-awm003-wi-fi-modules-run-openwrt-expose-gpios << similar, but more mass-produced

asciilifeform: chinese mips.

asciilifeform: ^ 32MB. and fuck, that ought to be enough for a bitcoin node

asciilifeform: http://vocore.io/wiki/index << wants to be a node.

asciilifeform: aha i recall

asciilifeform: http://www.industry-home.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Edison-Bulb-30-Watt.jpg

asciilifeform: (also had the requisite rought-blown shape and the multiple filaments)

asciilifeform was buying lightbulbs not long ago, and did a double-take when saw a line of specifically 'retro' bulbs, claiming to be 'precisely like those of edison's time' - and at least were genuine in costing 10x what one normally expects, and putting out 1/5th the light

asciilifeform: for n00bs: illych's [lenin's] lightbulb

asciilifeform: specifically vs. modern chimeras

asciilifeform: incidentally, this phrase has been resurrected and now fondly refers to the (increasingly rare) traditional incandescent bulb

asciilifeform: лампочка ильича!

asciilifeform: 'Keeping gold in a safe deposit box is money laundering carrying up to 25 years in prison.' << fiction. (though 'deposit boxes' remain a hilarious scam. see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875487 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: (for non-u.s. folks: for many years, the guards have been running names through 'wanted' lists when you walk in or out of usa)

asciilifeform: the noose appears to be about the same width as previously (post-'01)

asciilifeform: new.

asciilifeform: and, lol! why 'secret chinese bitcoin mine'? what is the secret ?