asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: which wasn't any kind of orchestra but a spy network
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: not a theatre. the 'red orchestra'
asciilifeform wishes to point out that a 'sane pgp' will not be pgp-compatible. because much of the insanity lies in the standard itself.
asciilifeform: 'yes we reached the moon, who said we weren't talking about that one [points to moon painted on ceiling of mental institution]'
asciilifeform: now the next phase of moon-chair-stacking, that nix may or may not have yet entered, is to decide that the turd they have created and are doomed to dine on is in fact a sausage, and to lash out angrily at folks pointing out the actual facts
asciilifeform: the 'nixos' thing is about the same kind, and degree, of contribution to culture as the soviet dogs with extra heads sewn on. with the difference that the latter still have the former beat in the purpose they're really fit for - chimeras to scare small children with
asciilifeform: programmer enters the syntax tree directly.
asciilifeform: lisp notation of basic arithmetic << one of the most common n00b failures-to-grok. (+ 1 2 3 4 5) not only puts less mileage on keyboard than 1+2+3+4+5, but nukes the abomination of having arbitrary orders of evaluation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...fighting hardware << aha. linux kernel in one sentence.
asciilifeform: e.g., substitute a 'readline' that logs keys, etc.
asciilifeform: mitm for the userspace << funnily, one common purely-userland trick to play on pwned folks is to adjust LD_PRELOAD in their personal shell env
asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages.☟︎
asciilifeform: likewise, another common form of braindamage is a lack of any fine-grained namespace control
asciilifeform: thing is, braindamaged languages (they know who they are) have no way of specifying -individual routines- as having dependencies
asciilifeform: downloads dependencies, grinds gpg sigs, etc. automatically.
asciilifeform: possibly the best package management system for commonlisp users is 'quicklisp'. essentially bulletproof.
asciilifeform: but there is no reason for any thinking person to become involved in any capacity.
asciilifeform: NixOS << if idiots want to keep trying to 'fly' to the moon by stacking chairs, let them.
asciilifeform: the corner shop near my old flat even sold the kit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Daca as bea bere la foc continuu, pe o teava cat gatul direct in stomac, fara sa inghit, tot n-as ajunge nicaieri << this is a national sport in usa, didja know ?
asciilifeform: only when i finally moved to current digs and got a 'shop vac' (industrial thing, picks up swarf in machine shop) finally can match 'buran'.
asciilifeform: interestingly, this type of fridge chassis was formally banned in usa, despite giving a much tighter seal than the magnetic rubber used today
asciilifeform: 'skeleton' systems as described above.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but what're they used for: typically stands between user and death from exposure. runs furnace blower/igniter in the cold months; a window ac unit in summer; fridge, a few lights, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they typically have surge rating of 5-7x
