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mircea_popescu: sadly, the chinese are too smart to take them. that'd have been the historical way out of this predicament, and how venice survived eg, charles.
mircea_popescu: we're not fucking women. feelings don't enter into it. war before winter, and the wholesale of california 20yos to saudi princes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you drop the hand the moment you know it can't win, not the moment you feel you can afford to do so.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a sort of refugarium were US companies that are too white to rassle Chinesium maintaim production under their own management.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pygmystans where foreign devils set up conveyors, made of imported devilstuff, for pygmy to slave at, are not 'industrial base'
asciilifeform: lel, war with the folx having planet's ~only remaining general-purpose industrial base. will go great
mircea_popescu: given all this : a) war with chinese must start today ; b) internment camp for us lefties should have already been a thing. the japs had no business being there in ww2. the us left has no business being alive.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole "who could really imagine the earth could open up to swallow the immense resources of ingenuity of the us".
mircea_popescu: the latter spinner is spun from the former, but only as much as absolutely strictly needed.
mircea_popescu: and the "fake" spinner, which consists of turning the minds of the populace into dust, doing bizarro hollywood-like tournament markets.
mircea_popescu: the "real" spinner, which consists of turning the soil into dust to produce chinese real estate ; this is "farming" and "real estate development" and "mining" and etcetera. such as the soy production in argentina, now and again lulzed at in the logs. dudes totally gutted this place.
mircea_popescu: and the whole of the "us" ie really all nato ie really all white world - russia (and - the muslims, if you think they're wwhite) works a cycle which consists of two spinners
mircea_popescu: the chinese are at the same time pumping out manufactured goods. this is infinite quantity, as much as you can take, no problem.
mircea_popescu: the chinese are also willing to pay ~a little~ for umd services, namely, the stamping of "this chinese guy is as good as the best white man" on foreheads of their second sons.
mircea_popescu: so, the chinese are willing to pay for real estate ; either in the form of actual land, or in the form of distilled land as soy, mineral rights, etc. there's basically an infinite demand for this, they'll buy it all up, whole planet, no problem.
mircea_popescu: yeah basically, let's draw this engine.
BingoBoingo: From which a bit leaks to feed SV iTunes-isms
BingoBoingo: Well, there's still ass to mouth welfare cycle that feeds walmart and lowers farmers to pederasty
mircea_popescu: technically speaking the us economy is ~= egypt economy. the us has silicon valley, egypt has the luxor center for businessmen. fair crop.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "tech companies". basically all that's left of the us economy these days is inept dorks playing the "many web users matter!!11" roulette.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cook has a point. trump wh should launch a campaign (paid with public funds) denouncing the ~foreign propaganda~ pushed by the guardian and urging people not to read the libertard fishwraps, nyt&co.
BingoBoingo: Tech companies have a responsibilitit to STFU and Labcoin already
asciilifeform: 'Just as major tech companies have accepted they have a social responsibility to combat piracy online and the illegal sharing of content, they also need to help address the spreading of fake news on social media platforms.' << didjaalsoknow.
asciilifeform: in other 'neinneinneinneinnein!'s, https://archive.is/q7bf1 >> 'Fake news is “killing people’s minds” according to Apple boss Tim Cook, who is urging the Government to launch a public information campaign to counteract the problem. Mr Cook called for a an awareness campaign similar to those which alerted people to health epidemics such as AIDS in the 1980s and environmental issues including the ozone layer in the 1990s.'
mircea_popescu: whole machinery's geared up to obstruct a naive nixon, trying to get shit done. it has exactly 0 solutions for the stark opposite.
mircea_popescu: his winning strat is to watch tv in bathrobe all day, and underline press reports. which is what's literally eating their hearts out.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's kind-of the hope, i guess, with all the "loyal disloyalty" and "leaks from wh" bs, that maybe he's doing something. except -- he isn't.
mircea_popescu: nixon didn't run on a "i will tear down washington dc" ticket.
asciilifeform: and mr.t has not one schlesinger but, if we are to believe, 1,001.
asciilifeform: this is obviously possible. note that however nixon did not bombard anything.
mircea_popescu: standard procedure. yeltsin bombarded the parliament building yes
asciilifeform: ^ is in the l0gz, was quite a read
asciilifeform: well what's the ??? step between 'they wouldn't let me!!' and the proverbial 'profit'
mircea_popescu: he doesn't actually need to do anything. all he needs is a good excuse as to why he isn't. so far - they're providing him it.
asciilifeform: i can see how the spreading worx, mircea_popescu --- but how does the eating work
mircea_popescu: they're building up his cred, "hey, tried x, tried y, tried z, clinton wouldn't let me!"
mircea_popescu: way this works is as an empowerment engine. all trump has to do is keep a steady stream of loud but idiotic fixes coming ; for the judiciary to reject.
mircea_popescu: scarce hope of that.
asciilifeform: if judiciary spins mr.t on its cock like propeller, however, it is not hard to picture obummercare, warmism, the whole orchestra, staying exactly where it is because 'customer has come to expect!' and 'they HAVE RIGHTZ!!!'
asciilifeform: it was that or wagner+cyanide
mircea_popescu: i still can't believe they actually opted to engage the judicial system. that was supposed to be the reserve. they've no reserves now.
mircea_popescu: they're not even going to try and defend obamacare ; or global warming. that's pretty much it. they're being outflanked on education $$$, there's literally nothing left. desperation moves from umd or the conclave of "tech giants" are just that, beaten dog sqealing because stepped on.
mircea_popescu: in your terms, anything can be said to be anything else.
asciilifeform: i dun see where is this 'losing'. nao, winning-slightly-slower-than-usual -- sure.
mircea_popescu: so far they're losing pretty badly.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 19:28 ben_vulpes: what is this "nixon-shaped box"?
asciilifeform: in other oddities, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607665 apparently picked up by the 'pantsuit' folk, https://archive.is/WnaUg >> '...and the nation sometimes needs them to check the president. James Schlesinger’s loyal act of disloyalty...' ☝︎
asciilifeform: apparently the only evidence used in the arrest was the mention of this schmuck's name in logs stolen from some other dekulakization candidate.
asciilifeform: but stayed the man’s release pending a government appeal, set to be heard in Virginia on Friday. The feds are urging that Tverdokhlebov be held without bail, claiming that he has few ties to the U.S. and enough underworld contacts to flee to Mexico and from there to Russia.'
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, elsewhere in vast monkeystan, https://archive.is/lJxIm >> 'The indictment against Tverdokhlebov is based entirely on the years-old chats, with no hard information about specific thefts, suggesting that the feds are using it as a wedge to try and pry more evidence from Tverdokhlebov’s arrest and the search of his computers. Over government objections, a magistrate judge set Tverdokhlebov’s bail at $100,000 last week
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the beobachter, https://archive.is/WMdhE
asciilifeform: and -- i shit thee not -- 373M of src.
asciilifeform: and holy shit WHY IS ALL OF GCC IN THERE
asciilifeform: http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/cpu-development/x86-open64-compiler-suite << still has (what purports to be) the circa-2013 tarball.
mircea_popescu: me either. i suspect it's high time to copy everything one might ever need. because...
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Ap6hm , and then finally https://archive.is/tRo8Q .
asciilifeform: (if archive.usg is to be believed, it disappeared from the net some time between march and june of 2015)
asciilifeform: http://www.open64.net << one of the few actual competitors of gcc (started life as sgi's compiler, published openly, retargeted to x64) VANISHED
asciilifeform: (then enjoy the ~0 results)
phf: "nice trust, hacko, back to your mines"
phf: Searches related to tree shaking "gcc": angular 2 performance benchmark
phf: holy fucking shit, i'm doing cursory google searches on the subject. "tree shaking gcc" results in all javascript articles. google helpfully expands gcc to "google closure compiler"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79A7E0D4EF15DF0C782F08A1B3750DF77C60678A90DDE5806C8C654E34CD31A5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1494...6039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.113.180.101 (ssh-rsa key from 195.113.180.101 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CZ PR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79A7E0D4EF15DF0C782F08A1B3750DF77C60678A90DDE5806C8C654E34CD31A5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...7203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.113.180.101 (ssh-rsa key from 195.113.180.101 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CZ PR)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have the bins, with symbols, dwarf debug tags, etc. and this is a transformation i can do by hand in, say, ida. but the only reason i even have to think about it is that gcc is MILITANTLY stupid and gloms in trivially provably unused routines
mircea_popescu: if you don't have the binary's source, let's say you're holding smoke.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. can;t win them all.
asciilifeform: the annoying part is that there is no reason at all why i should not be able to do this TO AN EXISTING BINARY
asciilifeform: and then gnatelim does the job.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually how the heavy industrial realtime ada folx do it. fork the standard lib.
mircea_popescu: static linking doesn't work ? ok then, i import the source.
mircea_popescu: seems the only approach is to simply not include not used functions.
asciilifeform: phf: rop is the bread, there is also the butter of actually nudging instruction pointer (stack/heap smash, overflows, etc) but sure.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-11#1613177 << http://phrack.org/issues/49/14.html (classic paper, in logs), then http://seclists.org/bugtraq/1997/Aug/63, then http://phrack.org/issues/58/4.html, then you can apply for a job at NSA, since that's basically all you need to know :p ☝︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDF58C157F19F56ED0FF3F23767C3D0AEF9AFCAF9A39796BD2D4447505F83DA9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1496...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.144.106.242 (ssh-rsa key from 83.144.106.242 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (83-144-106-242.static.chello.pl. PL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDF58C157F19F56ED0FF3F23767C3D0AEF9AFCAF9A39796BD2D4447505F83DA9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1362...0797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.144.106.242 (ssh-rsa key from 83.144.106.242 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (83-144-106-242.static.chello.pl. PL)
phf: i thought that was the case since forever, last time i asked a question why gcc can't tree shake (10 or so years ago) i was told that i don't understand..
asciilifeform: 'This problem can't be appropriately solved with a linker, particularly not the GNU linker. GNU ld can only throw out sections, not unused functions or global variables; so if you've got a file containing 10 functions, 9 of which are unused, all ten will still get linked.' << for the imbecility museum
a111: Logged on 2017-02-11 00:27 asciilifeform: ROP is why you want not only 'fits-in-head' source of proggy, but the smallest binary physically possible.
asciilifeform: srsly forfuckssake if routine cannot be JMP'd into, i want it GONE FROM THE MOTHERFUCKING BINARY
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 17:24 thestringpuller: Maybe if log search was better ;)
BingoBoingo: And how long dies it take water to drain out of a void 2 feet deep and 2 feet in circumference?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, what'c the native soil like in your parts?
BingoBoingo: Also aero/hydro-ponics are for the poor (i.e. stoners)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Other decent substrate is softwood bark composted to consistency of smooshed chocolate cake
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Problem is soil timecube is rounded. For srs. Just get a bunch of peat moss while you can along with composted cow manure, and a few 5 gallon buckets full of generic 10-10-10
ben_vulpes: obvious conclusion that ms is also wholly owned subsidiary of ministry of wtf has apparently not yet occured.
ben_vulpes: in *entirely* unrelated lols, it turns out that various tribal security directives are to "use ms products and keep all data on local disk because we don't trust cloud because obvious tool of ministry of wtf." meanwhile, it dept struggling to wrap heads around how all of their files ended up on the ms cloud.
ben_vulpes: is he really selling that so hard? looks more like the organized organs of the left are pushing that angle and he's not fighting it terrifically hard, because why bother
asciilifeform: betcha all of their pay doesn't buy ~one~ discounted-f35
mircea_popescu: and consider -- he's selling the supreme strength of NOT having a bunch of these useless dorks employed as... a weakness.
ben_vulpes: plus that master stroke of "anti human trafficking" + instantiation of the gendarmerie-as-municipal-officer-coordination-office recently
ben_vulpes: these days, everyone watches twitter to see how donny's going to respond to something happening on the teevee, while he waves the red cloak of nordstrom or even just "make america great again" (which i fucking die laughing every time he tweets that phrase naked), while the white house press bureau releases some very well-written copy on "failure(s) to enforce sovereign duty"
mircea_popescu: obama fucked the left more than it fucked the us ; left them utterly incapable of mere survival.
mircea_popescu: and most amusing - they thought that's a show of strength.
ben_vulpes: last eight years everything was this tightly dialed drumbeat of unified talking points
ben_vulpes: the trifurcation of media, white house proclaimations and social media drivel compared to the last administration is very interesting
mircea_popescu: meanwhile gramps goes along with the charade, "for as long as they think i watch tv, what can they break"
asciilifeform: (clinton clan was not dispatched from mars just this year)
mircea_popescu: so now they want to discuss whose ties are bad, who has bathrobes, and whether trump cares or doesn't care about the latest saturday night live.