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moriarty: decimation, economic models are much like scientific models, or any models for that matter, they are inapplicable to reality without an overdose of simplifying assumptions to linearise what would otherwise be
a higher dimensionality reality
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moriarty: decimation, it's nice if you're not
a very curious individual
moriarty: decimation, that's
a rather simplistic view
moriarty: xmj, if you can't fend yourself against the traps of the powers that be, how do you hope to avoid buying
a lemon when faced with
a second-hand car dealer
moriarty: actually socioeconomic experiments are nothing more than alchemy waiting for sciences to solidify itself; in like sense, macro policies are the precursors to BCIs which would be
a far more effective method of tailoring welfare to the individual without any of the leakages present today
xmj: there are actually
a few traps setup by The Powers That Be
mircea_popescu: this is
a nonsensical object on par with the "foolproof" engineering item.
decimation: moriarty: it's true that such
a scheme would be unworkable in mass democracy
moriarty: decimation, by the time, that happens, it's
a different political party
decimation:
a slave (unless chained to the wall) will always have some power to rebel
moriarty: decimation, but you've taken
a ironic stance there, you can't be enslaved to the state and at the same time hold the state hostage with riot threats
decimation: it doesn't take much creativity to imagine ways in which you could employ people such that they are neither
a burden to civilized society nor have enough energy to riot
decimation: which makes the state
a terrible master
moriarty: it's one of the pernicious problems of mob rule, it converges to
a state that pleases the majority, even if the minority in this case happens to be the ones that make more than half of the GDP and contribute tax-wise as well
moriarty: decimation, council houses are
a response to voters clamouring for welfare
xmj: those who want to sit in front of
a TV all day long instead of doing something might just be better off that way.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, you have to appeal to their emotional side :) and the flip side of that is, you don't even have to spend
a dime
moriarty: mircea_popescu, all i'm saying is, once you understand women to be
a bag of emotions, rather than logical creatures, their motivations, what it takes to motivate them, becomes plain as day
mircea_popescu: the whole theory is broken. there's no "other plane", and there's no "women" as
a one thing.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, you give
a little to get
a whole lot more :)
bounce: you don't like grass? so you're not
a cow then.
moriarty: xmj, drama is one way to get into
a woman's pants
decimation: what is
a council-house full of couch-sitters other than slaves of the state? with the state being
a worthless master?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, in the confines of
a conventional western society today
decimation: moriarty: no you just need to make
a gpg key
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol i would need to trade bitcoin in order to get
a wot acct, right?
xmj: "The problem is that the modern woman is
a prostitute who doesn't deliver the goods. Teasers are never pleasers; they greedily accept presents to seal
a contract and then break it."
moriarty: xmj, men are shallow by nature, our emotions do not run as deeply as women (unless we grew up on
a heavy dose of sappy films)
xmj: but, y'know, law of attraction is
a bitch.
moriarty: i've long given up on that pursuit, so whenever
a woman argues, i just empathise with her and agree with her
xmj: What I hate are meaningless and heartless one-night stands where you tell all sorts of lies to get into bed with
a woman you don't care for.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, and in not so many words, it's easy to put yourselves in the shoes of
a woman, if you imagine them to be first
a man, take away reason, and accountability
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've been told by
a woman that women exist on
a plane different to men
xmj: screwing >1000 normal people without paying cash for it would be
a considerable achievement
assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or
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moriarty: xmj, not
a popular opinion either, but hey :)
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moriarty: xmj, from the beta's point of view, sure; from the elites running society, marriage is
a way to preoccupy the have-nots so the haves can sow their wild oats around while the working class struggle to make themselves marriage-worthy in the meantime
xmj: moriarty: marriage is
a way of ensuring betas get laid, it's one of the more controversial claims
danielpbarron: most of the ancaps I encounter seem to lean more towards the socialist side than they'd like to admit -- what with all their "fairness for all" mantra, as if unrestrained capitalism won't deal
a crushing blow to the dregs of society
xmj: the church did
a good job at reinforcing the already existing institution of marriage
moriarty: mircea_popescu, well that's why all politicians are liars, in order to be
a man of the people, you have to ascribe to philosophies you don't truly believe in to win them over, just so you can fuck them over later on, to protect your class, your clan and family
bounce: throw in all the people put in pre-trial jail and the numbers drop quite
a lot
moriarty: xmj, someone personally vouching for you is
a far more powerful statement than an educational factory produced paper
moriarty: xmj,
a signal that is second in importance to the signalling of connections
xmj: moriarty: education is mostly
a signal
mircea_popescu: this is so much derpage reflecting the extremely narrow case of where
a bunch of people worked with their muscles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "social escorts" is
a much better euphemism,.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, cost of living is high in singapore, so those without the proper education tend to resort to less conducive means to make
a living
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell TomServo has arrived. I can meet today (9/20) or tomorrow (9/21). Otherwise it's going to be
a couple weeks
mircea_popescu: and which is why
a fundamentally idiotic game model (the platformer, the scroller, etc) were still loads of fun
mircea_popescu: which is why hard amiga games in the 80s were
a lot better than the crap today,
bounce: we do
a lot better than nature by allowing learning from mistakes and therefore retries
moriarty: mircea_popescu, that's
a good point, i like singapore's system too
mircea_popescu: nature doesn't come with
a "you took that path and
a lion ate you, would you like to retry yes/no/cancel"
mircea_popescu: systems can not exist but in
a very narrow space of stable nodes.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i guess in
a way you could say singapore is being "kinder" by telling you upfront that if you take that course, your employment chances will be fucked, so let's help make this idiot-proof as possible by barring you from choosing that road
mircea_popescu: in the 80s romania there used to be about 100 18yo girls
a year hanging themselves for having sucked at tests.
moriarty: if you take
a highly subscribed course but you are not cream of the crop, then you are assigned
a less serious university, and you may harbour fantasies of serendipity working in your favour come working world time, but that wouldn't logically happen
moriarty: that would be painful, or not since i'm looking at it from
a western point of view :)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, singapore took your opinion to
a slightly more extreme point, their university application form consists of
a ranking of six majors, and the state then allocates
a major to you based on
a threshold that is demand-adjusted
bounce: bit of
a fail that policy makers tend to forget that little detail
mircea_popescu: yeah well this socialistoid idiocy... "currently college ed people are upwards movbile let's give degrees to anyone wait that changes mobiliy ?!?!!?" is like, become
a woman, they liove longer.
moriarty: that sounds like singapore then,
a social experiment in of itself
moriarty: and then
a recent mass study conducted indicated social mobility did not happen despite more people than ever having university degrees
moriarty: we had
a lofty target of 50% tertiary literacy rates
moriarty: bounce has
a point even though mircea_popescu's intentions are noble
moriarty:
a la free online education via the MIT initiative, OCW, noble though it is, vis-
a-vis the good ol' paid education you get face-to-face
moriarty: well, free education if mandated, sure, but it exists along
a free market system that elitises education in
a freemium sense :)
moriarty: public transportation is never
a profitmaking venture
moriarty: then of course we can get
a little more creative and consider public transportation too, to be
a form of welfare
moriarty: mircea_popescu, of course this ideal is currently impeded by what i consider to be
a gross infraction on one of the basic human rights, that is the freedom of movement across borders, one trivialised by border control and such
mircea_popescu: moriarty this is
a nice theory anyone would subscribe to. both those who will and those who won't. after which, disaster of commons.
bounce: so,
a government that takes in taxes but does not give handouts isn't
a welfare state?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, like it or not,
a country has got to stand up for the reason it was founded, otherwise, there is little point to be loyal or even nationalistic about it, when it can be hijacked philosophically
mircea_popescu: so i go to #electronics to see if either asciilifeform or diametric hang in there. they have
a bot, i do !help, it says
bounce: just to be clear, what do you understand to be the defining properties of
a welfare state?
moriarty: xmj,
a balance between welfare state and free markets, and how much of
a blend depends partly on the origins of the country,
a la its constitution, and the culture trickled top down from previous political establishments
a la informal variant of the constitution
moriarty: xmj, the way i see it, you like
a country's constitution, join it, no? then emigrate :)
moriarty: xmj, sure, but demands of any kind play
a subservient role to the sanctity of the constitution, and if ancaps were to form
a nation, they could very well enshrine those principles in there
xmj: moriarty: and as much as the ancapists
a la kinsella and molyneux would like to believe, they cannot overcome this with non-monopolist private security agencies
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've done
a sybil on localbitcoins though :) just so i don't get pinned down as the guy with shitloads of bitcoin