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mircea_popescu: and bitcoin is really a terrible network
ben_vulpes: i discern that people are really bad drivers
mircea_popescu: well... it's a alright. the i...
mircea_popescu: they try.
ben_vulpes: aah. hey is the fed ai yet?
mircea_popescu: now, that this quest is doomed should be obvious. but what's the emperor to do, accept facts ? no teenager yet has admitted his inferiority to their archnemesis cum rival yet. it's just not the way of the highschool. and so...
mircea_popescu: for as long as reality resists formulation, there can't be properly speaking globalization in any meaningful sense ; just the pretense of it readily defeated in practice.
mircea_popescu: you may find a maximum, but it will be localized. this is no good.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes some basis upon which a single authority may stand. see the problem with the reality function is that it does not have calculable maxima.
mircea_popescu: similarly here, every socialist state since hobbes' leviathan made some attempt to subjugate aquitaine, that horrifying heterodox place where riches spring from the very soil.
ben_vulpes: 'ai' to handle the unexpected situation/'unknowns problem'?
mircea_popescu: so they did what they could do, invest in immortality pill research.
mircea_popescu: much like ancient chinese emperors had a very firm limit on their reign. no matter what anyone said, their divinity however described still ends one day.
mircea_popescu: that common thread is nothing novel - the socialist state through its central planning committee encounters the unknowns problem. for as long as that is not resolved, the socialist state is doomed in principle.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on. ☟︎
ben_vulpes rummages for the ultralight 'bigdog' sketches
ben_vulpes: i don't hafta toss my sims out too, do i?
mircea_popescu: other than the (actual) fact that there's nothing necessary about existence, perfectly sound AAA+++ science. would worship again.
mircea_popescu: how exactly "in order for you to exist, water must be pink and freely float in the atmosphere" turned into "fact: water is pink and freely floats in the atmosphere" has a lot to do with the hidden "i necessarily must exist" prior.
mircea_popescu: this is correct, but also hardly a fact. just the constraint.
mircea_popescu: in simple words, "the only hope of an our democracy surviving the republican age is if some mechanical method to turn noise into sense is devised"
mircea_popescu: they need it, the wunderwaffen response to the http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ problem ; the republic does not, http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ etc.
mircea_popescu: yes yes, except it's as far from a fact as it could possibly get. it is, in nucet, the HOPE of usg "ai" work.
ben_vulpes: "Fact: Adversarial examples generalize across models trained to perform the same task, even if those models have different architectures and were trained on a different training set. This means an attacker can train their own model, generate adversarial examples against it, and then deploy those adversarial examples against a model they do not have access to."
BingoBoingo can't wait to hear what the SADFAG of the day is!
mircea_popescu: hanbot that's a pretty freaky series you got going there
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-ii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part II
mircea_popescu: i thought new york chartered towns get ceos not mayors.
mircea_popescu: "and tonight in Department of State and Ginzu Knives, CHER AND SONY BOOOONOOO!!!!"
mircea_popescu: ahaha totally.
hanbot: why not Cher, at that rate
mircea_popescu: "you won't like that other one."
mircea_popescu: "i have this guy, and if you don't like him... i have another."
ben_vulpes: petraeus for state oh that's rich
BingoBoingo: Carter was terrified by a bunny rabbit
trinque: in the particular instance mentioned, guy was what, "oh I'll tell everyone about the aliens once I get in there!11!"
trinque: carter could get thrown out of anywhere
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.
asciilifeform: somehow being 'original classification authority' didn't help carter not be thrown out 'and don't ever come back, or ask again' from groom lake '51' .
mircea_popescu: "but our d&d game!!1" "yeah i know, totally!!1"
mircea_popescu: total and utter despair, the 15yos going "dad owns the house, he could technically chop down the tree, and there's nothing we can do to prove to him it's really ygdrasil!!1"
mircea_popescu: “The president is the original classification authority so he has enormous discretion about when and under what circumstances to do that,” Zach Goldman, the executive director of NYU’s Center on Law and Security, told Gizmodo. “If he decides he wants to read classified documents in the open, I don’t know what the intelligence community can do about that.”
asciilifeform: (starting with twatter inc, then moving on to pnoje carrier, os vendor, et al)
asciilifeform: the set of folx who can pump arbitrary crapola into it, is likely in the 100s, or 1000s
mircea_popescu: besides, if he has it on him, you know, like in a "sikrit place" like the whitehouse tree fort or under the covers, it could stagefright/illuminate teh "sikrits" usg supposedly has.
mircea_popescu: well ostensibly not logging into an account that everyone now watches, because if it gets hijacked jets may get scrambled.
mircea_popescu: also he's tweeting off an ancient samsung galaxy. much to everyone's aghast anger.
mircea_popescu: "and it'll piss a little on the courts too. seems like a great move. are you ready to suck the cock yet ?"
mircea_popescu: "hey, guess who wants to spitroast you all ? i... could put him in charge you know."
mircea_popescu: that's such an epic dead cat to hold over the libertards lmao
mircea_popescu: lulz of ALL FUCKING TIME.
mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (it'd require, absolutely, removing the locks. which ~unquantifiably alters the semantics of the entire thing.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is quite equivalent to scrapping the whole thing.
asciilifeform: but the option of removing it is not on the table.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: (4) is unfortunately ultimately rubbish, it is really the single-threaded, polled socket handler of trb that is ultimately morally responsible.
mircea_popescu: yes but this is supposed to be done prior not ex post facto.
asciilifeform: 1. 'blackhole.' 2. tcpdump on two blackholed trb nodes. multitude of peers emitting 'ping, ping, ping...' and soaking up sockets. 3. hypothesis: killing socket hoggers will dissolve blackhole. 4. 'socket-hogging prb is responsible for blackhole condition'
mircea_popescu: experiment = 1. statement of phenomena being observed ; 2. description of experimental set-up and measuring tools ; 3. explanation of working theory and 4. statements of fact that stand to be falsified. all 4.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to leave dulap as it is , to see how this change affects blackhole, but it does carry some of the 'trucks of britain' problem (as described by mircea_popescu article -- 'trucks over 5 tonnes will experimentally drive on left side of road first!11')
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A90653FEB0AD1726BEB5103A2FB09DCEE0DCABC7EFD7E6AE69679FB320E1D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1758...8439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.127.14.104 (ssh-rsa key from 176.127.14.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (104.14.127.176.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A90653FEB0AD1726BEB5103A2FB09DCEE0DCABC7EFD7E6AE69679FB320E1D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...5509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.127.14.104 (ssh-rsa key from 176.127.14.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (104.14.127.176.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH)
mircea_popescu: "this is an experiment to establish the density of water. we will be using a densometer to measure it, expect to see values in so and so range, for so and so reasons" etc.
asciilifeform: had link to mircea_popescu in l0gz!
mircea_popescu: you know, they usually do some statement of what's being experimented when they do an experiment.
asciilifeform: to clarify: dulap is running the revised patch.
mircea_popescu: well, once they ping
asciilifeform: none get anything through.
mircea_popescu: that's the moral here : just how resilient the shit is. amorphous therefore eternal.
asciilifeform: not at all this.
mircea_popescu: some blocks get through in the brief interval.
asciilifeform: i am rather surprised, i admit, that dulap is speaking to ~anyone~
asciilifeform: well the -revised ver. is.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack: in case this was unclear to anyone: goodbye-pingers ~breaks connectivity with stock trb~ and ought to be considered experimental/dangerous . it is not yet clear to me that the pill is an improvement over the disease.
mircea_popescu: specifically because it was contrived. the gcc shit is a conceit, not real shit.
asciilifeform: because it is a problem that succumbs to brute labour.
asciilifeform: x11, or gcc, etc are easily 1000x the volume of shit. and successfully llvm'd.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not trying to persuade, i am merely stating the possibility.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it was historically trivial to predict their predicaments and ambush.
mircea_popescu: specifically because the llvm heads discussed earlier apparently don't get very far.
mircea_popescu: we got more than its weight in gold, to date, from the happenstance that bitcoin is made of ~pure shit.
mircea_popescu: the jungle is a shitty forest no civilised man would wish to live in
mircea_popescu: depends. consider the problem of the jungle.
mircea_popescu: but the unquantifiable part is exactly the strength.
mircea_popescu: which is what i meant re contemplation. not the sort of problem you usually enjoy, ergo not the sort of system you'd of your own choice make.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but the CORRECT cut in there is a very high paygrade item.
asciilifeform: there is a palpable difference between 'hey bro this is usenet and no guarantees' and 'hey bro this is crack den and i'ma take yer mail and flush it down the shitter, no guarantees' imho
mircea_popescu: "wtf anti-civilised non-engineered process is this then!" "words are given man to hide his thoughts, bro"
mircea_popescu: take this "send tx" "well bro... there's no guarantees" item.
asciilifeform: ok nao i'm curious, how's that
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be worth the contemplation to consider that bitcoin is the specific sort of thing you'd never have actually made specifically because its strengths are the sort of things you personally hate.
asciilifeform: eh i i had 22, or 222, i'd simply have a different reason (tx propagation fail) to be ragin
mircea_popescu: yes, but i tihnk you get my point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider it one of the many benefits of single-node "man and his fortress" outlook.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every so often, i actually need to send a tx. and grow very, very irritated if for whatever reason at all, i cannot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i grow very tired of 'blackhole'
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you're doing this skidding thing anyway, not like there's some sort of emergency.
asciilifeform: the folx i was trying to kill, are those who ~sit idle and hog the socket~ while waiting for a pong that never comes.
asciilifeform: because as it is, trb nodes (such as zoolag) are getting the hammer.