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mircea_popescu: not so unlike all the people who were planning to kill hitler, but never got around to it.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt? << it's a very specific locus to east european "anticomunism" of the contemptible kind.
mircea_popescu: this guy's got a pretty fantastic racket. i hope i won't next hear i've heard about bitcoin from curtis yarvin.
mircea_popescu: holy shit man. a quote from wikipedia and the next mention of the word in comments ?!
mircea_popescu: decimation not that i know. link to what inspired me maybe ?
mircea_popescu: ah, no, we're discussing economics here. the ship goes uphil like any othjer ship going uphill.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, men tend to value "fuck me then i take off" girls the most, coworkers less than that and wives even less.
mircea_popescu: ah that. well, poking around at the world, right ? same reason they stick things in their mouth.
mircea_popescu: what reasons specifically drive children to immitate speech sounds ?
mircea_popescu: perpetuum mobile is also of perennial interest to the same apeish overaged teen mind.
mircea_popescu: how about they were all bitcoin experts from "the community" of derps that never saw a bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: ask someone why shouldn't they fuck their sister next time you want an angry puzzled man.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules.
mircea_popescu: it is as plausible as the notion that "mecanicity" makes perpetuum mobile more plausible.
mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: [long pause] You really some teacher, Mr. Nazerman. You really, really 's the greatest.
mircea_popescu: tation to dig into the Earth to grow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike!
mircea_popescu: ut and buy another piece of cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temp
mircea_popescu: gh to have a geography or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right o
mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enou
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: Say, how come you people come to business so naturally?
mircea_popescu: i am aware. this makes it not work quite specifically.
mircea_popescu: it does not happen period. the "floating value of coin" model gets reliably thundered into the dirt by fixed value coins and arbitrage.
mircea_popescu: it would take me about a month of "earth time" to own one of their townlets, i reckon.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that a) the "economic" model contemplated by the naive socialist pseudo-anarchists cooking up the story is broken and b) anyone aged 16 who can't figure out how to extract value out of it should go hang.
mircea_popescu: ‘Nonsense!’ declared Gleed. ‘There is no such thing. There is no weapon inventable that the other fellow can’t employ once he gets his hands on it and learns how to operate it.’
mircea_popescu: ‘Is that so?’ The other eyed him speculatively, had another pick at his teeth. ‘And what makes him excellent?’
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a cat in desperate need of overthrowing the imposition of catdom upon it, however.
mircea_popescu: i did think teh present conversatiuon made it plainly clear.
mircea_popescu: you're discussing the matter in inadequate terms, as if you were to try and judge software by what happens with the table.
mircea_popescu: white china survives, and the fucking hittite empire to boot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, by subjective criteria as you employ, the english empire still survives.
mircea_popescu: it's already a given he's taken at most a local maximum
mircea_popescu: but note that at no point would him getting killed be part of a best plan, so
mircea_popescu: if this man were here talking, i would make the same exact observation.
mircea_popescu: because they proceed of causes, not towards purposes ? who yet even cares per se of body count ?
mircea_popescu: the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you know, once ceausescu was finally killed, it came to light there have been thousands of people plotting his demise, allegedly. to hear them talk, some of these had gone on for decades.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are, however briefly. the others often never get around to it.
mircea_popescu: tho thieves often think in terms of "o look, a slow scam is being set up!!1"
mircea_popescu: in any case : people who don't steal do not become by this better thieves. they do instead become part of a different world.
mircea_popescu: well no. you are in the unique position where someone killed himself, and you say "his death was not effectual - as it didn't resolve his problems. lo, they are still here!"
mircea_popescu: ie, this may be a valid discussion of trapmakers, as it discusses how much of a trap it is, but not at our level, where we discuss what is is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is no argument to say of the badger trap "but it shot no laser"
mircea_popescu: this is what all they who disagreed with chomsky and agreed with civilisational narrative re joe stack also saw.
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure i have enough data to build a chain as you propose.
mircea_popescu: the man that has so shot one, is not by this ineffectual, even if invaders left.
mircea_popescu: the man who has not shot an invader in his livingroom is not by this a man who will not. just a trap no invader has stepped on yet, is all.
mircea_popescu: at that time the first trap to ever spring sprung, and the second had not : a) were the other eleven effectual or ineffectual ? b) was the one that sprung effectual or ineffectual ? note that still badgers around, AND FROM THE POINT O VIEW OF THE BADGERS, every item is just as much a trap as the traps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me approach the matter this way : you have an infestation of badgers in your living room. so you set down a dozen traps. overnight, two traps have sprung.