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asciilifeform: as for this entire thread - being pessimist, imho any software project which appears to call for this level of organizational complexity - is a lost cause.
ben_vulpes: if i find commits like that without a "copied without permission from XXX" -- that's a demerit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's nonsense. what's this, a badly specified bitbet bet ?
ben_vulpes: now in the tag, you include a message: "this signed tag is my stamp upon the whole and entirety of the codebase".
ben_vulpes: now if you strip whitespace on a line that later turns out to have a mission-critical hole...
ben_vulpes: that's why the commit is the right thing for a contributor to sign.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes basically the practica application would be, once X bug is found, grep for the code and whenever you find it in something someone signed, tear them a new one.
ben_vulpes: sure, i made a change to openssl, and i stand behind it. that should not be taken to be an endorsement of the project.
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, all signatories of a thing are joint and several responsible for it.
ben_vulpes: also i don't really know that git affords for you signing my hash and including it in the repository, from a technical perspective.
ben_vulpes: the commit is "here is a diff of thing before i started work today, and thing after i finished this feature." it may include tests, changes to other miscellaneous stuff. it should exist (in my opinion, i may be wrong and might need to be argued out of this) as a statement that "i did this work". this clearly gets hazy when you've got multiple eyes on a screen.
mircea_popescu: so then if i sign a commit you made, what's the problem ?
ben_vulpes: tux might nota been a party to the crime, but it happened under his watch.
ben_vulpes: a tag is "this release bears my stamp"
ben_vulpes: a commit is "i did this code"
ben_vulpes: a signed tag is a different thing.
ben_vulpes: (just a guess)
mircea_popescu: guy had a month, ended up cramming most of it after the 20th or something ?
ben_vulpes: that's a poor way to work on things
gribble: molokodesk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <MolokoDesk> yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me, the ba deeds registrar thing will be a not-so-bad way to distribute source.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: sure, except it wasn't the entire thing? it was a particular date range, plus as i recall not all transactions?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: it's pretty obvious MagicalTux isn't allowed to publicly say a lot of stuff
ben_vulpes: not that any of them are written by a key i know anyways.
mircea_popescu: because "news articles" are a source now.
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: that's a point. XD
ben_vulpes: <Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots? << a large number of them. do we not hear of linus routinely reaming people for idiocy?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos> appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores << maybe you need a new reddit ?
Luke-Jr: thestringpuller: yeah, I'm not a big fan of rebasing, but that's how the git culture works :/
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: nano just updated a few ratings
ben_vulpes: a) lol
ben_vulpes: the other arguments i've heard is a) weakens "importance" of signatures and b) leaks keys
ben_vulpes: well that's a load of malarkey.
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: I can't find it now, but the Linux kernel used to have a writeup why commits shouldn't be PGP signed
nanotube: xanthyos: why not ask for a discount to spot
xanthyos: someone i know on tinychat is trying to dump btc to me at spot. i hope i don't come out looking like a fool. that's more of a worry than the money loss at this point: appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores
Diablo-D3: theres a reason why ck denied some of your patches
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: you're simply a liar, nothing more
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: not much of a slapfight when I have written code, and so has ck, and Luke-Jr hasnt actually done anything.
ben_vulpes: its a fascinating slapfight i gotta say
Luke-Jr: all a git repo is, is a patch set
Luke-Jr: that's just a technical way of distributing code
Diablo-D3: its bfs plus a few other patches
Diablo-D3: its a patchset.
Diablo-D3: its not a fork you idiot
Luke-Jr: it's a fork
Luke-Jr: ck has a very large reputation for being a difficult person to work with
Luke-Jr: anyone who knows ck knows he's a pain
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: guess what? he successfully trolled. doesn't make it any less of a troll.
thestringpuller: nanotube is also a ghost
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: yes, Im a troll that wrote a very important piece of software that a lot of people donated a lot of money to help make happen
dub: a surprising retort
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: no, you're a troll
ben_vulpes: dag - you have a 5 from nanotube?
dub: anyway, you can't put a price on education, Diablo-D3 is no scammer
dub: I doubt that but it should have been a whorthwhile lesson
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: yeah, luke-jr is a scam
Diablo-D3: dub: actually a lot of them stuck until the end and got their money back
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: to you have a sister named deedee?
decimation: it seems like it is a hell of alot better than the shit berners-lee put out
asciilifeform: i should like to find a buyer for these. before it's too late (and then i ask them to be brought to my peine forte et dure.)
asciilifeform: decimation: opengenera vm << goes great with a set of these: http://imgur.com/nR6mErg
asciilifeform: when this kind of thing comes up, for some reason all i can think of is a fellow who worked in a lab across the hall from my old place of work - who fessed up to playing 'call of duty: iraq' while... in iraq
mircea_popescu: a, maybe worth sometime.
Diablo-D3: it is a universal constant
Diablo-D3: because apparently bfl was a smart enough scammer to "donate" a lot of money to bitcointalk
Diablo-D3: that they're a scam
mircea_popescu: a year ago.
ben_vulpes: they still go for a decent markup in ars
decimation: when everyone wants an ipad that works well, but it appears apple's sexy has worn off a bit
mircea_popescu: work a third shift, make yourself a bunch of ipads too.
mircea_popescu: run 12 instances of curl off a huge file with awk 'NR%12==n only to discover that the fucking thing keeps blocking itself.
decimation: nevertheless they are neat chips, I might buy a devkit soon
decimation: before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i forgot i had any electronics on me, went romping through a fountain, fried a legendarily high quality phone.
ben_vulpes: my father sent me out with his startac when i was a wee one, for 'supervision'.
ben_vulpes: i'd settle for a startac
ben_vulpes: apple's done a decent job on the software jailing, so the phone operating system doesn't rot quite as quickly as its counterparts, so they're forced to release new "operating systems" that consume ever more resources.
ben_vulpes: the android platform does a magical job of implementing software-accelerated phone aging.
decimation: imagine if ios/osx/windows had a new release that was smaller than the previous turd
asciilifeform: yet can you picture a talking head, or newspaper, asking question 'should a new os always use more space?'
Diablo-D3: it was broken because it was full with a backup that ios should have never tried making
ben_vulpes: jesus Diablo-D3 let a guy tell a story ffs
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: it downloads a turd, needs space to decompress it
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: well, to upgrade without a connected computer, yes
Diablo-D3: and the fact you need 4.7gb of free storage on a 5c to upgrade to ios8
asciilifeform: if you want a pocket-sized apparatus to read, say, email, you're more or less stuck choosing whether to live in 'singapore' (apple) or 'liberia' ('android')
ben_vulpes: there is also a "sync my data" thinger for new phones.
Diablo-D3: even if you restore a backup from icloud, it doesn't restore your photos into your local photo storage
Diablo-D3: [10:44:37] <ben_vulpes> an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself
ben_vulpes: an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself
ben_vulpes: a pauper forever i'll be
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up-me-plz: sadly, probably not a troll.
cazalla: that's an idea, next one i'm writing is "was satoshi a black man?"
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe do a piece on how Chuck Tayor would have solved Liberia's Ebola with Dogecoin?
cazalla: like a cake, it's needs to stay in the oven a bit longer before i serve it to him
ben_vulpes: roman snitko has a bitmessage address, but not a gpg key
kakobrekla: so theres like a fuckton of blockchain readers with web 3.0 frontpage these days
dignork: thestringpuller: soylent is a failed experiment - their final cost is higher than average food basket