asciilifeform: to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon'☟︎
asciilifeform: that won't touch normal pgp keys, and requires centrally-blessed 'certs'
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, today at $censored_firm we were suddenly excited to learn that a very, very costly $censored_guild_professional will accept a document via 'pgp'... only to learn that he was speaking of a 100%-proprietary turdware
asciilifeform: i listen to fucking fans all day long
asciilifeform: we -still!!!!- don't have this with x86 pc!
asciilifeform: a multiaxial shielded cable was included for this purpose
asciilifeform: for instance, the console was really a powerful computer in its own right (contained video rendered and sound card) and could be separated from the (very loud!) machine by, iirc, 200 metres!
asciilifeform: lispm gives an interesting feeling straight away - of computer that cost what a business airplane cost, and intended to maximize the thinking power of an economically-important thinking person
asciilifeform: there was another, later white kbd, which i have, with entirely different internals - but protocol-compatible with the old scanned-matrix one pictured here
asciilifeform: adlai: haven't switched it on in a good long while.
asciilifeform: adlai: interestingly, symbolics lisp mach. had full datastructure interoperability between zetalisp, common lisp, fortran, ada, - even c.
asciilifeform: ^ don't keep windblows box in the house. then no need for 'samba' and the associated idiocies
asciilifeform: ^ you don't have to use winblows to be pwned using winblows pwnhole
asciilifeform: and is happy with, e.g., 64k of total machine ram
asciilifeform: that is, a hard-standardized (iso preferred) prog. lang. with safe types and deterministic memory usage, that has extant compiler back-ends for all major cpu architectures
asciilifeform: adlai: i'd love to learn of a substitute for ada
asciilifeform: (yes, let's call things by their true names - sabotage)
asciilifeform: decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'widely' is mostly uni students
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neh those use proprietary adas
asciilifeform: decimation: subject of thread was yet another case of gizmo that won't build on account of 'obsolete' things having been removed from something
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obscure fucking sides of an obscure place << widely used gizmo. but apparently everybody but me just takes the binary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf it's supposed to be << it's precisely what it looks like to the unarmed eye: a perfectly good symbol that a shitgnome whose arsehole pines for the stake decided to zap to boost his feeling of relevance and be '1337 contributor'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because subject 'needs to have problems'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these only get 'clintonized' if someone wills it to happen
asciilifeform: decimation: how many usg employees that were once dealing in official secrets would come up entirely clean if their belongings were searched ? as in, not even a 'post-it note'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for most engineered items, even for suicide soldiers, one finds something less extreme
asciilifeform: no one was in a great hurry to buy - but there were designs
asciilifeform: entirely workable schemes ('intrinsically safe' reactors made of pellets, etc.) have been proposed for reasonably inexpensive fission plants for home use
asciilifeform: it is interesting to compare, in this respect, the semiconductor industry to... nuclear one
asciilifeform: the gas is merely one of 1,000 reasons why the fab costs what it does.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read the ClF3 link again, notice that it is used in si fab solely for cleaning tools.
asciilifeform: (but not enough for a legit commercial fab to turn a profit unless 'favourite son')
asciilifeform: plenty of ppc in usg proprietary machinery
