asciilifeform: biggest shared 'in joke' in the world

asciilifeform: most folks with any kind of brain at all, just ignored the slogans when off the clock

asciilifeform: the total intellectual load placed on chumps was considerably lighter

asciilifeform: (the soviets also didn't have microshit 'word', which helps illiterates to play-pretend by turning them into a kind of cyborg meat-assisted shannonizer)

asciilifeform: modern usg has many advantages in bullshit production over predecessors

asciilifeform: they didn't have cut&paste

asciilifeform: and almost certainly shorter

asciilifeform: if somebody wants to dig up the warning from 1920s (mentioned briefly in the modern usg one) would be interesting to read.

asciilifeform: commonly sold in gringolandia as cure-alls

asciilifeform: the linked thing was about machines that do precisely the latter

asciilifeform: don't sit and be gassed when fumigating.

asciilifeform: the linked crap has the basic idea, ozone works as well on the meat as on whatever you're fumigating against

asciilifeform: unless 'reducer' was meant in the ordinary, rather than chemist's, sense

asciilifeform: oxidizer not reducer

asciilifeform: if you aren't a sapper - find another hobby

asciilifeform: every so often, 'oooh coool',... 'bang'

asciilifeform: it's rather like those kids in ru who make a hobby of collecting mementoes from old battlefields

asciilifeform: as americans used to say 'good indians are in the cemetary'

asciilifeform: there are also impotent, and also dead ones

asciilifeform: 'free cheese is found in mousetraps'

asciilifeform: ^ re: linked article << 'embrace & extinguish'

asciilifeform: (there are edges a few atoms thick, in there)

asciilifeform: with any existing or foreseeable tech

asciilifeform: even if they'd much like to

asciilifeform: when i used word 'unclonable' - that's meant literally. as in, no one will produce a matching half of that broken glass

asciilifeform: what's the unclonable part ?

asciilifeform: adlai: ?

asciilifeform: a kind of interferometric 'hash'

asciilifeform: except don't have to break it, but expose to light

asciilifeform: glass is still king, incidentally

asciilifeform: modern cryptowankers' parlance calls these 'physically unclonable function'

asciilifeform: authenticator, used even in ww2

asciilifeform: incidentally, i love a good analogue 'stone-age' cryptomechanism. and not only for enciphering. consider the broken cup.

asciilifeform: for their time - if they worked it correctly - yes

asciilifeform: as adlai pointed out, there is ample info bounding the possible plaintexts available in the ciphertext

asciilifeform: more like cracking a rotor

asciilifeform: still crackable with a rubber cock that inflates while second variable is expansion of one end (use an aperture, like camera)

asciilifeform: i see it

asciilifeform: http://crypto.di.uoa.gr/ec13puzzle/Eurocrypt_2013_-_puzzle_page/background_files/IMG_4749.jpg

asciilifeform: not having been to ancient sparta in person

asciilifeform: only ever saw modern reproductions of scytale

asciilifeform: take a table leg, a length of photo film, and experiment

asciilifeform: i doubt that they varied the taper

asciilifeform: jurov: which is why the gedankenexperiment was specifically about epsilon

asciilifeform: jurov: nobody's getting a monopoly off epsilon btc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if can vary taper between min and max of what opponent could have used - then yes

asciilifeform: scytales... ecdsa << if this analogy is accurate, woe be unto ecdsa users. you can crack scyrale with a physical contrivance analogous to an engorging cock

asciilifeform: adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist << the bot is not for use! it's a theoretical construction, like carnot cycle

asciilifeform: sorta like the 'x % kills' (what fraction of the monsters you dealt with) shown at the end of a 'doom' level

asciilifeform: against which to measure the actuality.

asciilifeform: it tells you (or would, if could be written, but the most you can hope for is an approximation, as the problem - even with all the necessary data - is np-complete) the theoretical maximum that could have been achieved

asciilifeform: any more than carnot cycle is

asciilifeform: adlai: and no, not pure masturbation

asciilifeform: adlai: yes, 'knows what will'

asciilifeform: it's simply an elementary fact that you can't +ev your way 'from rags to riches' unless you know something other folks don't

asciilifeform: adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043325 << thread starting here ☝︎

asciilifeform: but trying to compare to the well-known thermodynamic optimum for an engine

asciilifeform: not mentioned by name earlier

asciilifeform: adlai: see earlier discussion about what 'carnot efficiency', if you'll allow the analogy, is for scalpl (or any similar machine)

asciilifeform: jurov: i think i get what you mean

asciilifeform has no idea re: coinbr user stats

asciilifeform: jurov: would you say that the 'thousands of chumps' are using your gizmo instead ?

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: but i don't know who the users are and what motivates them

asciilifeform: i think i understand how coinbr works, and why

asciilifeform: i just cannot know what they are.

asciilifeform: the folks subscribing - presumably have reasons

asciilifeform: no issue, just the fact that i personally don't have any jobs for which coinbr is the right tool

asciilifeform: or that jurov's gizmo doesn't function exactly as printed on crate.

asciilifeform: didn't mean to imply that it was.

asciilifeform: (but i know that it isn't happening with trading, because i'm not an idiot, so i don't trade)

asciilifeform: escape rocket

asciilifeform: takes away what little point there is, no?

asciilifeform: jurov: nope. i'm not the least bit interested in low-frequency trading

asciilifeform: gravity works this way, and so do other things.

asciilifeform: 'The Third Rock From The Sun can hold an atmosphere and your piece of cosmic flotsam can’t.' (from my article)

asciilifeform: there we go.

asciilifeform: calculate, how much coin would i need to have on hand for it to be worth the effort in getting a coinbr account and making the gears go correctly

asciilifeform: jurov: bitbet is certain to make 7% dividend next month.. to buy it does not need any perfect bot.. but nobody does << this is because time is worth something

asciilifeform: (unlike 'redditicus' the impossibility doesn't irritate me in the slightest, i have other things in life to play with)

asciilifeform: (unless someone noticed that he's a god, and gave him a bag of coin for lulz. but that's outside the rules of the gedankenexperiment!)

asciilifeform: i merely suspect that no one, not even a god, could 'get rich' at 'investing' pocket change at mpex

asciilifeform can already picture how - if the 0.01 were enough to 'move between equivalence classes' in the orderbook

asciilifeform: even for determining what x' is for x=0.01 btc ?

asciilifeform: 'perfect info bot' is this abstract thing. a god.

asciilifeform: you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot << impossible by definition ☟︎

asciilifeform: understand, interested here in 'theoretical best' of what a smart person with almost no funding could achieve ☟︎

asciilifeform: mike_c: it will give you an x and x', where x' > x

asciilifeform: is depth really a concern for infinitesimal working sum ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: for small enough x, market has full depth at all times, no?

asciilifeform: folks with a clue - comment, would the result have any useful connection with reality ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: but again can approximate, roughly, solely with price history, no ?

asciilifeform: mike_c: technically yes

asciilifeform: we're talking about historical data

asciilifeform: how?

asciilifeform: (this is actually np-complete, but one can find approximations)

asciilifeform: as in, the maximum one could have hoped to earn on coinbr in a particular time interval starting with x btc

asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever try the exercise of writing a 'pefect knowledge' bot that tells you 'what could have been' ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: conjecture.

asciilifeform: for folks who can reliably turn x into 2x - they already have mpex accounts, aren't reading this