asciilifeform: but no place to put it

asciilifeform: for a few $k

asciilifeform: i even had opportunity to buy one

asciilifeform: some of the german machines from the '80s, when computer sucked, did this

asciilifeform: decimation: interestingly, in the old days, they were brass, and shaped in such a way that -did- test

asciilifeform: decimation: rubber suction cup, typically

asciilifeform: they do not need to know what it does!

asciilifeform: testing that they are actually attached - harder, but also doable

asciilifeform: testing that parts have their marked values - also trivial

asciilifeform: testing that board corresponds to given gerber mask is trivial

asciilifeform: however, no one cancelled physics

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: obvious idea is obvious

asciilifeform: that's the idea here

asciilifeform: as in, i get a head on a stake if doesn't work

asciilifeform: as in - hard guarantee

asciilifeform: i would have gladly paid 4x more if guaranteed working.

asciilifeform: it isn't even about the money as such

asciilifeform: this was not part of the deal

asciilifeform: i have not even bothered to look at the rest of it

asciilifeform: and that is -only one- problem

asciilifeform: their 470 (not k) resistors are marked correctly (470) but have resistance of 200.

asciilifeform: no

asciilifeform: incidentally, 'house parts'

asciilifeform: (not k)

asciilifeform: 470 and 200

asciilifeform: and that's just one piece.

asciilifeform: though they have the correct printing

asciilifeform: so on first glance, their 470k resistors (0805 size) are actually 200k

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if i could offer anyone anything, would not be having muppet problems

asciilifeform: and the game can be kept going as long as they like

asciilifeform: and how the fuck do i prove whose fault

asciilifeform: in another month

asciilifeform: it's exactly like the apple thread

asciilifeform: because no alternative.

asciilifeform: me, that is

asciilifeform: notice a sucker just paid'em 75 usd.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'll tell you how

asciilifeform: now going empty.

asciilifeform was gonna order mainboard from these folks, to have in time for C III

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no

asciilifeform: but conclusive test would involve desoldering them

asciilifeform: about to manually probe the components under microscope

asciilifeform: again, not in any way detectable to naked eye

asciilifeform: in entirely invisible way

asciilifeform: two bad boards

asciilifeform: it isn't

asciilifeform: 100% analogue

asciilifeform: decimation: these are ordinary rngs, as seen at conference II

asciilifeform: decimation: yes

asciilifeform: no visibly misaligned parts, no shorts

asciilifeform: without any visual signs of defect

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: both modules in both rng boards 100% dead

asciilifeform is not inclined to believe that it was accidental

asciilifeform: took'em almost a month, too

asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation. gave those idiots the simplest circuit in the world, as test

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha i'll bring ice cream to confIII

asciilifeform: !s reducing space mission cost

asciilifeform: not a single one of the rng submodules works.

asciilifeform: moreover,

asciilifeform: it's an analogue circuit, will presumably find out

asciilifeform: i haven't the faintest clue

asciilifeform: motherfuckers.

asciilifeform: unit 2 is a dud.

asciilifeform: unit 1 is a dud

asciilifeform: PeterL: even worse problem

asciilifeform: PeterL: dimensional tolerances

asciilifeform: everything else is pick'n'place-able

asciilifeform: 3 pads

asciilifeform: decimation: there's exactly 1 through-hole part

asciilifeform: claims the former

asciilifeform: it is very easy to find manufacturing service. but mostly impossible to find one that does onesies economically

asciilifeform: so won't say for certain that 'worked out' yet.

asciilifeform: actually i've yet to plug them in...

asciilifeform: guessing it's somewhere slow - therefore american

asciilifeform: they outsource the boards too - took most of the time, it appears

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: but adds days (they wait for order to come)

asciilifeform: takes most anything

asciilifeform: they charge extra for the kitting

asciilifeform: decimation: most of the parts aren't house

asciilifeform: ( for folks who missed wtf thread was about - http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg )

asciilifeform: "we did most of the job" << these folks even offer a 'test' service but i can't really make use of it for these parts

asciilifeform: decimation: wow they even placed your shield? neat << it's a part, like the others, with footprint & centroid coordinates, etc. i'd be rather pissed if it were missing

asciilifeform: nubbins`: but very different from when you pay 500 usd per individual change in the layout.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: tooling charge is rolled into everything, sure

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, anyone else who cares ^

asciilifeform: ^ left hand: them. right hand: me.

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg

asciilifeform: will say later if these even work.

asciilifeform: for their weight in gold.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have nothing with which to compare the price. nobody else on the planet does qty.1 smt assembly+board with no tooling charge

asciilifeform: recently-opened outfit in usa

asciilifeform: 'macrofab'

asciilifeform: ic orientations are correct

asciilifeform: (unlike my cn supplier which ships only perfectly-smooth edges)

asciilifeform: dimensions are perfect within visual limits, though boards have panelization burrs

asciilifeform: did not yet test

asciilifeform: one of the bags contains an empty board (souvenir?) - order consisted of two assembled standard rng

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^