asciilifeform: thestringpuller: for the budget, i can't even afford to break self

asciilifeform: probably looking rather scorched, as they'll have to desolder the shield frame

asciilifeform: one day these might come back sorta-working

asciilifeform: described to them simple test of board. and they promised to try..

asciilifeform had interesting email exchange with macrofab, where they showed photograph of their bobbin - labeled 'panasonic' - said they tested 50 random units;

asciilifeform: l0ltr0n

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's come to the point where i 'google xxxx' and get... own self having spoken of xxxx five minutes prior

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 1940s and prior - yes

asciilifeform: or i suppose not a plain wheatstone bridge, but one connected to something yet else

asciilifeform: wheatstone bridge

asciilifeform: for example of a trivial case where they cannot:

asciilifeform: that one was measurable in-circuit due to the way it was connected.

asciilifeform: and hell knows what else for the parts that could not be measured

asciilifeform: (ohm)

asciilifeform: i got ~200 for 470

asciilifeform: i was able to do it for r6 and r16 in own box because knew how it was arranged

asciilifeform: because you cannot force the current of measurement to flow -only- through the resistor

asciilifeform: not everything is meaningfully measurable in-circuit

asciilifeform: if anyone owns a pair of 'hot tweezer' (soldering iron for removing smd parts) - go ahead

asciilifeform: (these would turn up in all 3)

asciilifeform: incidentally, one more piece of data - i traced the empty board (included with the two populated units) - there were no mask defects

asciilifeform: http://ad7zj.net/kd7lmo/ground_gnuradio.html << example

asciilifeform: the software-defined-radio thing going for past few yrs, for example

asciilifeform: they build new stuff

asciilifeform: what of all the ham radio folks

asciilifeform: telling me that no one anywhere built an analogue whateverthefuck?

asciilifeform: and how on earth would it stay undiscovered until this

asciilifeform: because this is just Sad

asciilifeform: or that i'm on to something that isn't this

asciilifeform: i very much hope that i'm not

asciilifeform: for digital circuit, the consequences are not immediately apparent

asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that most of what's in the electronics stores now has these 'magical' components of essentially random values

asciilifeform: they promised to measure their stock of R's, but so far heard nothing

asciilifeform: in other news, i shipped the junk back to macrofab

asciilifeform: it'll run...

asciilifeform: if going to eat the meat regardless of from what animal - may as well run bitcoin on the stock linux that comes with that thing

asciilifeform: davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051876 ☝︎

asciilifeform: but BingoBoingo's discovery has somewhat ruined my appetite for netbsd..

asciilifeform: i have a very impoverished (no nand yet) netbsd on mine

asciilifeform: if i mentioned something here that wasn't included - please wake me up

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i think i made the handful of useful things i've discovered on the subject public on the listserv

asciilifeform: 2) find out why buildroot's kernel doesn't run on pogo

asciilifeform: two leads: 1) port whatever's in netbsd to openbsd to get it going on pogo

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can, with effort

asciilifeform: ('buildroot' builds cross compiler in the process of building, like netbsd does. it also builds minimal userlands with known contents suitable for read-only media. this is the part that is very tricky to achieve by hand)

asciilifeform: but that was originally how i ended up trying netbsd

asciilifeform: someone else might have better luck

asciilifeform: to no avail

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i spent quite a bit of time simply trying to get a vanilla linux kernel made with 'buildroot' (built for this very purpose - routers) to boot on pogo.

asciilifeform: thing's dead.

asciilifeform: and yes, systemd is coming to debian

asciilifeform: at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap << do you have a fully-source-based cross-compilator build of debian? if not, it's worthless.

asciilifeform: the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain << NO. must be able to insert brand new drive in brand new unit and have it format. or replacement drive.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: mmno.

asciilifeform: what does this mean for pogo? << it means that one of you will have to come up with an os

asciilifeform: i started work on a driver but there's no time.

asciilifeform: (netbsd doesn't support the nand either)

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it wasn't just the nand

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm nearly cured of wanting anything whatsoever to do with netbsd now.

asciilifeform: meanwhile fiat world put 120megabux to organize liquishit pumped from one cistern to another 10,000 times.

asciilifeform tallies up value of organs

asciilifeform: i promise that i'd find this very interesting if had actual capital base...

asciilifeform: !s chicken also wants to live

asciilifeform: that .ar still remembered how to make

asciilifeform: i thought bullets were the one thing

asciilifeform: hey that's not so different from what i'm doing here on small scale

asciilifeform wonders if there is a single p&p robot or reflow line in all of .ar

asciilifeform: degravitizer << sign me up, lol

asciilifeform: (al schwartz linked to it at one point, long ago)

asciilifeform: there is actually a children's book with illustrations, yes

asciilifeform: was j. smith's version, iirc ☟︎

asciilifeform: arse rocket

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: describe it as world's premier atomic dirigible, if you take pleasure in this

asciilifeform: did - for pleasure.

asciilifeform: aha, but did not rely on result.

asciilifeform: feynman diddled radio as a young man - but quit, note.

asciilifeform: or is it that smart folks avoid experimental work because, well, smarter?

asciilifeform: more humble observation here, that making anything physical+original whatsoever on modern industrial base is titanically expensive, demoralizing, or both

asciilifeform: aside from 'the spartan speaks with his sword'

asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider why.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice how all of the surviving sage works are by theorists.

asciilifeform: compulsively pulled on one, they all came out

asciilifeform: the very same. can go to uni library, and they're stuck together. like the volumes of lenin (true story. i unstuck'em)

asciilifeform: to find.

asciilifeform: very easy.

asciilifeform: and likewise dijkstra

asciilifeform: mccarthy also understood the unfolding disaster

asciilifeform: there we go

asciilifeform: this is approximately what he meant.

asciilifeform: (look it up, it was a try.)

asciilifeform: knuth tried to convince folks to 'literate programming'

asciilifeform: sorta like 'must build bridge, even if out of corpses'

asciilifeform: like now.

asciilifeform: dark age.

asciilifeform: because originally the thing working at all - was impressive.

asciilifeform: it is important to understand why apparently-intelligent folks ate up the crap

asciilifeform: from this boojum came the other sorrows.

asciilifeform: try to appreciate the difficulty, historically, of getting the bloody things to work at all.

asciilifeform: ^ oblig. naggum

asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html