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trinque: I said
to him "students may learn swordplay but may not
tell us
the fork in
their hands is a sword"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i have no clue how
they escaped highschool, intellectually speaking. but here
they be.
mircea_popescu: NO IDEA whatsoever of
that most fundamental concept of analysis, which is
to say "i can write chicken scribblings down and answer FOR A FACTY whether point q is equal
to point p"
mircea_popescu: trinque understand : none of
these folks had any idea of
the mathematical representation subiacent any geometric render.
to
their eyes,
the computer cheats when what
they
thought alligned planes
turn out
to have holes between.
mircea_popescu: consider
the case at hand. artist must produce some binary files.
mircea_popescu: what is
the republican scripting language for idiots (tm) ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, client is for
teh players not for me.
mircea_popescu: this being a phenomenal case of "everybody" -- game graphic artists are a) some of
the least literate dogs in carnation and b) some of
the people with
the most complex needs from computers. WAY ahead "computer engineers" of
the silicon valley ilk, aka webtards.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:33 mircea_popescu:
this wedge will not prevail. i'll do without any milk, forever.
trinque: in
the absense of alternative it's
totally reasonable
mircea_popescu: yeah but i know of no alternate solution capable of
taking blender items and spitting
them into eulora.
trinque: it is born of some document
the dutchie wrote about "programmig is 4 everybody!"
trinque: not only is python not a language, it was conceived by people who had OPPOSED political views
to
the republic
trinque: at least
there you use
the outputs and don't run
the
toolchain all day eh?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i ended up with a python dependency via blender ;/ i dun
think it's going anywhere.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: well i miss
the point
then,
try it like i'm five?
trinque: you're
talking past
the point
trinque: ben_vulpes: people could run as many loggers as
they want, written in
the simplest manner, and
then moved on with our lives
ben_vulpes: trinque: has nothing
to do with language choice.
ben_vulpes: phf: and
then
there would be only one logger, which is not in my book
the best of worlds.
trinque: ben_vulpes: how
the hell am I defending myself by using as many filthy whores as possible?
mircea_popescu: i am pretty confident
this discussion would have occured with different examples.
trinque: I don't see
that python or any of its kind have any future
mircea_popescu: trinque no, it has its merits. of course if you're discussing X
topic
there will be a
THE book, also,
this isn't arguing against
that.
phf: ben_vulpes: if a111 got moved
to sbcl earlier,
the redundancy conversation would not have happened, and people happily would be writing
trb code instead
ben_vulpes: the other point i didn't get
to make is
that i dont' buy
the 'personal failing' line; redundancy uber alles
mircea_popescu: phf aha. screaming phf fingerprint. gotta be careful with
that, you know.
that's how
the smart secretary caught her boss in carambolages.
mircea_popescu: anyway, really, nothing wrong with code heterogenity. if guy wants
to write boit out of used dildos, what's anyone's loss.
Framedragger: trinque:
the naked
truth of it is, i have little experience with lisp, of which "shipped
to production" amounts
to zero. wanted a bot. wrote modules for sopelbot which
turns out
to be reliable enough. :)
mircea_popescu: well what other bots ? lobbes ' is older
than deedbot iirc. you got 100% of bots made after release, can't complain.
trinque: phf actually gave me snippets at first
to start with
phf: trinque: a111 was running before ircbot/logbot, where's all
the lisp bots since (both of ben_vulpes's bots) are using it
trinque: I
took a shot at folks present for imitating me and spinning up
their own bot rather
than writing patches for
the only bot in a V
tree, but apparently it was buckshot
mircea_popescu: that's because you stepped away just as
the firehose was going
towards 30 lines/minute. you'll be stuck catching up for hours now.
trinque: I
thought you *had* used
the
thing
ben_vulpes: trinque: not
to knock what you've built, or aggrandize myself
trinque: or did someone "just want
to python"
trinque: oh?
the maintainer of supybot is in chan?
ben_vulpes can
tick off at least 3 republicans not in chan
trinque: pfff I wrote and released one, and so far we've got one re-use of
teh code
ben_vulpes: taking part in
the republic, also a mess of a concept.
trinque: which is no slight
to alf's lady. maybe she
takes part in
the republic as part of his house.
trinque: politics seeming
to be a big driver of
the evolution of human intelligence, I don't see how someone who says "but no,
the arena is not for me" can be said intelligent.
trinque: diana_coman: kinda depends on whether intelligence describes some internal property or is judged by others externally, which circles right back
to
the
top of
the
thread.
diana_coman: in principle
there could be cases (possibly unknown after all) of intelligent people who READ
the log and decided it was not for
them; but myeah
phf: huh, i
thought it's because you like
to play
turn based strategies, so
the enemy
timing is rarely an issue
mircea_popescu: phf i guess i'm impatient enough
this difference does not flower in my case.
mircea_popescu: by which light we see
the failure
to answer and
the failure
to
thrive are not at all unrelated, but really
the same
thing.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman after all, if
the alternative investments weren't
that,
they'd naturally fold right in, becoming logreaders suo modo. in
this view
the "who are you" question reflects exactly
this, "what of your previous investments is actually meaningful ?"
phf: mircea_popescu: well, on
the battlefield you're
the events are unfolding in real
time and
timing is important. in lyceum you can do
things at leisure. in
the later case you decide how long you have for
the lesson, in
the first case
the enemy does
mircea_popescu: "this examination didn't come with a scoring sheet!! alert!!! how are we
to
train for
the examination111!!!"
a111: Logged on 2016-02-17 21:16
trinque: how do you know who you are if nobody
tells you?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger for
the record alf is wrong in
the line you quote. he perceives
things
that way because he proceeds from nonsensical, outright impossible priors. "if i had a clear idea of what i was doing, i could do it in a week"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
the most pressing matter
to my eyes right now is getting ext2/ext4 benchmarked for our specified purpose.
☟︎ diana_coman: ftr
that "because
that's how normal debates work" sounds like....idiocy
Framedragger: i,
too, get confused re. demarcation lines of
the
two: on
the one hand it's supposed
to be battlefield against hitler, but on
the other hand folks agree
that it's also a good place
to employ experimental stuff one always wanted
to
try, for doing
things. and i agree with
the latter. but
then when
that stuff stumbles on an issue (because it's fucking experimental), people get outraged.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman
their alternative investments ; sum
total
thereof.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-12 02:19
TimSwanson: Because
that's how normal debates work
diana_coman: what is "all
that"
that you define as vanity?
mircea_popescu: alternatively i could simply declare all
that vanity, and propose some people have more of a millstone
to break
to bits
than others.
diana_coman: I suppose I would say
that "because
they are not sad enough" but rather quite fine
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have
this
thread: i often come back in my head
to
the question of why folx visit, and
then choose
to go back
to being-sad.
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623585 <- in my opinion "intelligence" is only part of
the story here;
the split (between who stays/goes) is made less on intelligence lines and more on allegiance lines basically; another way
to say it would be
that
those leaving have already invested
themselves
too much into various values
that are in contradiction with
tmsr, hence
they will leave, intelligence has nothing
to do with it
☝︎ mircea_popescu: funny, i just an hour ago
talked
the matter
through with a girl
training her very first girls, and it
turned out on examination
that actually... we do.
phf: but i still feel like it was a "waste" in a sense
that usually you don't apply same educational methods on battlefield as you do in a lyceum.
phf: i don't
think it was a waste from
the whole Man of Knowledge perspective. i derived a lot of value building one, which makes me
think so did others when
they built
theirs.
Framedragger intends
to set his mind
to some p2p/gossipd stuff come summer, if moon phase aligns with karma etc.
Framedragger: << maybe useful for noobs looking for stuff
to help with, but evidently
they're not.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:17 asciilifeform: paradoxically a
trb-i is light years easier
than 'cleaned
trb'
Framedragger: re. priorities and (natural) lack of 'global amazing konsensus priority list of shit
to do', in my humble and very noob mind
they are something like; 'p'; gossipd or partial iteration
towards it; invoicing system; <<
these
three'd useful for outside-tmsr interests fo sho; and nfi re.
trb, as on
the one hand it's supposed
to be super important,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o btw, you familiar with
the leftovers of
the periodic medieval "debates" with
the jews, which kept having
to end up in draws because lol.
mircea_popescu: indeed. consider -- how
the above point
that started
this convo would have been
to be phrased, had Framedragger NOT engaged in logbuilding ?
mircea_popescu: no,
that's when you have one eat out
the other, different.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone punished newb slavegirl
to asstalk ? you
take a flexible 1 inch
tube, about a meter long, one part goes in her mouth,
the other in her ass, she proceeds
to
talk.
mircea_popescu: should
there be any break in sight off
the incessant "premier asstalking and
talking in our ass institutions in
the world!!1"
mircea_popescu: there's at least
ten
thousand hooks
they could readily, just as soon as
they find
their words, engage with.